Ep. 45 - The 1990's

This episode, we discuss the music of the 1990's! We talk about the popular and emerging genres on the 1990's,  as well as the popular bands/artists, and fashion/styles of the 90's per genre: grunge, pop, nu-metal, and more, along with all the nostalgia.
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Transcript

0:19  
Hello, everyone, welcome to rock talk happy hour. My name is Mario here with Kimberly Britt and Frank. This is a podcast about craft beer and music where every episode we try different craft beers, we rate them, we discuss them and sometimes we learn a little bit about them all while talking music related topics. Frank was today's music related topic. So a music related topic is elastic in the 1900s. The 1990s Okay, I was like what? I thought he said something else. It was like sounded like boring to me. It was Oh, okay.

0:48  
I'm not I'm not drinking.

0:51  
soda. Maybe I am. And I can't hear. But yeah, the 1990s. So we've been going through the decades, we started with the 70s. Last episode was the 80s. And then now we're doing the 90s. And we're gonna go through later on, get to the 2000s and all that good stuff. Um, so usually when we start the episode off, we have not one, not two, but three little segments.

1:11  
Yeah, they're little, especially though what are we drinking them? take that one? Yeah. Yeah. So one of the segments is what are we drinking? Or we talk about what we're drinking to get us warmed up before the for the topic of the episode. And second little segment is a hangover, hangover. hangover where we thought we have four things no, three, what the heck? Sometimes there's beer and gear. No, that that's a fake one. No. That is frank

1:40  
about that beer and gear is optional. That's not a mandatory one. So our hangover segment is where we talk about things that we forgot to mention, from last episodes topic. And then our burgers in use as a new little segment, just in case anyone has any beer or music related news that they'd like to get off their chest that they'd like to share with everybody.

2:00  
So with all that said, what are we drinking? Frank? I am drinking a special one that Mario got me it's a birthday cake soda from rocket fizz. It's Melba fixins.

2:14  
And it's good. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm definitely getting my fix in here. And it's a sprinkles. That's Yeah, I mean, yeah. That's cool. I mean, I like it. I couldn't find you. So we also do non alcoholic beers on this podcast too. And I couldn't find Frank a non alcoholic birthday cake beer because I know, Britain. I've had one. And Kim has had one for our birthdays at different times and couldn't find one for Frank. But I did find him a soda. So that counts because we do do non alcoholic beverages on the show. Frank, would you rate it

2:49  
for Okay. All right. Well, I'm glad that's uh, I'm glad it wasn't like a one or something. No, no, because I was like, something I obviously couldn't try before I bought it. So I mean, I could I think this one you can. You can tell when it like, you have to drink a cold or cool. I think it's one of those that when you drink warm it just doesn't. It's just yeah, you know? Cool. Although I do like to drink some soda is warm. Like what? So?

3:17  
Like Coca Cola. Really? I don't know the way the it's bubbly. likes it? Yeah. Super bubbly. When it's like a face burns really good. No, no, no, thank you.

3:29  
My throat. It burns my nose. I just like that warm fizz sometimes. Okay, that's a UD Frank. Yeah. And then

3:39  
Kim Britt and I are all drinking. We're all drinking. Yeah, we're all drinking the same one. Kim. Are you talking about it get us we're drinking the Yingling flight. It's the light beer. 95 calories. 4.2% alcohol by volume. 2.6 grams of carbs. If you're into that kind of thing if you keep track of that kind of thing. Um, yeah, it's pretty good. I like it. It's probably up there with shiner light blonde for me anyway. mickleover something cool, but better. I think this is the first thing we have on the show right? together. What do y'all rate it?

4:16  
Fight five. I don't know why I said some fight. Yeah, I'm gonna fight. It's a fight. Flight and then in my head. You said?

4:25  
Brett, would you give it I'm gonna go 4.3 4.3 Okay, I'm gonna give it a four.

4:32  
overall good ratings. I know. I can't remember what I rated it when we had a tap room.

4:39  
But it does taste different draft. Oh, I bet. But is it still good? I mean, it's a good beer. I do think it has a little more flavor than the shiner light blonde.

4:50  
But jump side by side different but yeah, we'd have to do inside out.

4:55  
Since we're on the subject of beers, I've been doing this thing lately.

5:00  
Especially with these past two episodes, since we've been getting into discussions that I've been forgetting to bring up trying the beers that I have in the fridge. So new rule as we go on, if it's your turn, and you think it's time for a beer break, just a beer break, and then we'll try a new beer. So you have beers in the fridge to try. We have a couple of Martin house and some other ones. a break, we break. Okay.

5:20  
So I thought I would test it. So we'll get one of those

5:24  
here in a bit. So I guess Kimmy can go ahead and get the first one. And while I get this started, okay, um, I guess so with all that out the way does anyone have any hangover because I have quite a bit of hangover that's basically from last episode that's gonna lead into the 90s topic. So or you know what, before we do that, does anyone have news? Probably Any news? I guess the big one is

5:50  
what Judas Priest is celebrating their 50 years.

5:54  
Their tour was supposed to happen last year, two years ago, actually, two years ago. Yeah. So they're technically under 52nd anniversary, but they're pushing it, you know? So yeah. 50 years. Judas Priest.

6:07  
That sounds like weird to say, right. 50 years. Yeah, that's that's that's a weird, like.

6:13  
How do you know what anniversary The Rolling Stones were on? They were like on their 16th. Maybe close? Yeah. That's crazy, too. Yeah. Yeah. And then Iron Maiden released a new album, like two weeks ago, and it did pretty good charting pretty high. I think it was our highest charting albums since their first or second album, which is crazy. Okay. Yeah, I think it was called son jitsu, or something I haven't heard yet everyone listened to it.

6:38  
But, uh, I don't really have any music. I mean, music or beer news. The only thing I did want to say was, I don't know if you guys see my beer tasting glass. So this weekend would have been would have been the start of October fest. 2021. But it's not happening this year. Because of COVID. Obviously, we did have Oktoberfest episodes last year. About what about virtual Oktoberfest? Is that a thing? I don't think the Germans do that. They're gonna do they're gonna do it. It's not It's fine. Um, but I did want to, I didn't want to bring that up, because I saw that they're planning to have Oktoberfest next year. And the first date for Oktoberfest is supposed to be September 17, which is today. So I might as well start celebrating kind of Sorry, I got my, but if you guys don't know how big this glasses, we were talking about measurements, that's a leader, I guess. Yeah, whatnot. But anyways, so first beer, and then we'll get into? I don't know. Yeah, I wasn't here when you asked. Oh, sorry. What do you got for news? Um, it was a news. I didn't know if you wanted to mention that. We had watched the mudvayne. Yeah, actually, we can talk about though it's a good thing. So mudvayne played their first show in I don't know how many years I think it was like, I think the number was 10 years since they've played a show. But yeah, so it's been a long time and everybody was looking forward to them. People have been asking for them to get on festivals. And we actually did a mini episode, when they announced that they were going to be getting back together. So we started then we had a conversation with Frank and Britt and we started speculating like hey, since it's going to be the anniversary of ld 50. Are they gonna wear their face pain? Sure enough, Kim and I found the one of the full show online that somebody recorded. It was pretty decent.

8:21  
Footage footage. Yeah.

8:24  
And yes or no if they came out with the with their paint from the from LD from the LT. Era.

8:30  
But the performance and very underwhelming Yeah, kinda we it was disappointing. And I was like, Chad, NaVi turned into a diva. He had like three or four costume changes. Yeah, like legit. He didn't have to. There was a lot of talking and that was a big thing. I think he was drinking like Mountain Dew. It looked like yeah, we were trying to figure out what he was drinking the whole show. Yeah, like a green bottle. And we're like,

8:55  
I don't know. Was it underwhelming? Because it was a festival maybe? No, it wasn't so good performance and very low energy. Yeah, very low energy. Because Kim and I, we've watched quite a bit of live performances from different festivals like rock and Rio or download stuff like that. And from different bands and the crowd. I mean, you could tell like when the crowds weak, and when the bands just not on on that day. And I feel like the crowd was like, really? The crowd was like wanting it. You're into it. But like, I think I believe Ohio, right. I don't think the show was in Ohio. Okay, it was at a incarceration festival. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, the performance just seemed very low energy. What do we write it? I think it's a bit like a 2.5%. Yeah. Yeah, I was like, right in the middle. Um, but apparently, so if you're interested, they actually released a trailer for I guess they're gonna release the performance. And because they recorded it professionally, so they released a trailer for and I guess they're gonna

10:00  
Release the whole concert, but professionally recorded. But Kim and I saw it, I think the day after they performed it, but yeah, I mean, I don't know. I was kind of hyped to see, yeah, we were hyped. And then we were kind of let down. Yeah, we're kind of bored and no bad to say that. Yeah, no, me too, but it is what it is good to see him back, hopefully, like Frank was talking about kind of speculating to them maybe doing more like I feel like in all the talking that he did between,

10:28  
like, Whoa, you know, maybe you'll see more of us or if y'all want to see more of us, or maybe we'll come back around for more stuff, but they Yeah, they're probably seen how these performances going with the reaction so that maybe they'll go back and record another album. I don't know. We'll see what happens. But yeah, the performance was man I'm looking forward to the next one because I think they have two shows in November. So that's some time to just remember the volume Yeah, it's never the one time I saw them. It was here in town. And they had

10:58  
I think soil opened for them and ever the barricade broke twice hmm yeah, when I found them in garden no nothing guard sunset. Man was a brutal show like it's it's crazy to like I know they're older yada yada whatever but like to compare the energy of that show to not even like saying like the venue size or the crowd or whatever, just like the onstage energy and I know you get that you kind of feed off of what you're getting, but I feel like they were getting a decent energy out of the crowd show it's just like kind of crazy from seeing them playing like that. To like seeing them playing like we did on the show was kinda like yeah, remember mudvayne be that little yellow energy Yeah, cuz I remember when Frank and I saw him we got our I got my ass beat in the pit when we saw him with blood simple Yeah, that's right we got I got my ass kicked in that in that at that show but also to that venue suck so there was no like air circulation. I think that had a lot to do with it. Because it was an indoor and that sucked. But um, yeah, also to another quick piece of news I guess. Like system of down is supposed to be doing their shows later this year. I think they're doing like a West Coast run right? Yeah. So they're doing one show in Vegas and three in California. We were speculating that we're like so keep in that Vegas show or Oh, we were trying to get to go into Yeah.

12:21  
Well, the news was that they were supposed to be playing with faith no more but faith no more had to pull out because my patent. Yeah, I think like mental health. Yeah, he wanted to take a break because of mental health, which was you know, everybody was saying Hey, man, that's cool. You know you do go take care what you got to take care of corn ended up taking faith no More's place. So I was like system over down corn and then two other bands. And yeah, Kim and I were looking at the days and like, shit, can we make it to Vegas? And can we get tickets? Cuz I was like, maybe that because that's the closest they're coming here. And then the other three shows are in California, right? It was just something to talk about cuz I never been to Vegas. Well,

12:59  
not really. Well, weren't they supposed to come to Texas? I don't know. There was rumors going around. But it was never like a fish. I think it was system and corn and faith no more. Like all three of them. Yeah, I don't know. I didn't see anything about Texas. But you know, the moment you open that, like I could smell it. I don't know if you could. I guess this was very perfumey blueberry. Yeah, so let me pour this game real quick. Yeah, it does smell like perfume. Yeah, you can smell the blueberry in it.

13:33  
Oh, that's okay. So this is of course every episode we pretty much have to have a Morehouse beer. This is from Martin house brewing which is in Fort Worth, Texas. This is called mystic mountain blueberry. It's a blueberry goes a 8% ABV from a 12 ounce can has a cute little blue monkey on it. Is that the monkey from? It looks like something. Yeah, right.

13:56  
Tarzan monkey? I don't know. So I'm gonna put it in my tasting glass. Oh my goodness.

14:02  
It smells very barely even.

14:05  
Yeah, smells very. smells very fruity.

14:10  
Sour

14:12  
yet smell sour. And I tasted that little drop.

14:16  
Alright, so when the hint of perfume? Yes, taste is I mean it's it has a very strong scent.

14:23  
Ladies, What do y'all read it? I don't know. I mean to take another set. Yeah. Oh, I hate when that happens. I'm like, I'm not sure and I can't go back again. Oh, shit. It's gonna take forever for the beard again.

14:35  
Oh, yeah, I don't think I'm a super fan.

14:40  
It tastes like candy. sour candy. Yeah, it tastes like candy.

14:45  
Like a blueberry and I do taste our straws. I do taste blueberry on the back. That's what it is. forehead, blueberry, blueberry sour shores. I'm gonna go with that. I give it a four and a 3.5

15:00  
Okay, now, not bad. Yeah, couldn't be worse. We've had much worse. Yeah, that's not that's not that bad. Um, so that's this beer. So we'll try another one a bit. Like I said, Whoever wants to call it, you'll call it. We can even dump it. We have we want to finish what we're drinking that bad. No, it wasn't that bad. No. Oh, yeah, I know, we've had some dumpers before. Yeah, call them dumpers.

15:21  
Right. So

15:24  
I guess we can go on to our hangover segment, because I know that's going to lead into our 90s topic. Does anyone have any hang over? Because I have quite a bit? No, I do not. Don't talk well, but I just I don't know, I didn't do the research. I did want to like, kind of touch on

15:42  
80s hip hop, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to do that. Mostly just because I wanted to mention the Beastie Boys, because I love them. Actually, I was gonna bring that up too, because I noticed that we kind of left them off because they were they started in the 80s. So I was like, oh, their name came up when I was doing some research. And I was a bit screwed up on that one. Well, they weren't in the genres that I covered.

16:06  
By the Actually, it's kind of funny because we can backtrack a little bit because

16:11  
we're obviously we're gonna talk about new metal, but a lot of that rooted from stuff that was going on with Beastie Boys and like with Run DMC, while they're crossing into with rock, so we can go back into s3, if we have to, especially since you're right, like we all know, I don't think any of us have a lot of knowledge of the hip hop that was going on in the 80s. And it would have been really confusing for me to try to do that research in addition to everything else. Yeah. So they were born out of punk. I mean, they started as a punk band, and they continued to make punk music on all of their albums, even beyond, you know, even once they were just known as a hip hop group. But yeah, so I just wanted to mention that because of course, they're a big part of the 80s and 90s. Of course. Yeah, so that kind of ties into today's topic as well. So

16:54  
all right, oh, let's see who I was trying to.

16:58  
ignore that. Okay, so um, the so my hangover pretty much had to do with answering some of the questions that we had. I think I'm gonna start off with the first one, because this is probably going to make Britain Kim sick. So Frank had brought up the question, so he, you were talking about golf? Yes. on your topic for the 80s. It's more evanescent. Let me let me so I'm looking. No, no, no, no, no. So this had to me this had to do with me doing research because Frank Frank asked the question, what bands Do you think of when you think of God? Right? So my two answers, which I said were on opposite sides of the spectrum. Yeah. Evanescence and cradle filth. Right. So I was like, I don't know if I'm right or not. But Frank and I gave definitions. And I found out the Frank and I write to you, I know disgust. So I looked at Wikipedia. I'm gonna say who said this, so, so God, so this has to do with a goth from rock to that, that also went into goth metal. Okay, because there's goth rock goth metal, just like there was

18:01  
glam rocking glam metal. Yeah. So they Oh, it's weird, because some of these have like the rock version in the middle version, like the genre splits. So some of the most popular according to this website, I didn't write the website down. The most popular goth bands from rock to metal were Bauhaus. Of course when we talked about the cure Sisters of Mercy Siouxsie and the Banshees, and I thought of this band after we did the episode, but that was typo negative that was one that I just like, I was like, I can't believe I didn't remember like right out right off the top but type one negative was on there. Joy Division, the damned Nine Inch Nails him him his love metal perfect. Well, style. I agree with Nine Inch Nails mean I don't agree with that either. But I'm gonna keep going. And if you guys have any,

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you know, opinion, a perfect circle, which threw me off to air fi I could see a fi but only during the sing the sorrow era, they had the imagery, it was like

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cradle fills, which I named and Evanescence, which I named. So they wish.

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Apparently they had like the great value.

19:09  
So it was weird because they appeared on two lists. They appeared on one this website, I didn't write down what the website was. And then they also appeared on a Wikipedia list, which named Evanescence and type O negative as the two popular goth bands that brought goth to the mainstream. But it was like we said, Frank, and I said it was on opposite sides of the spectrum. You had like the hardcore gos over here, listening to type of negative right like the badass guys. And then like on one end of the spectrum, and on the other side topic, yeah, the hot topic, gos. Yeah, which are listening to Evanescence. So, but I could see how they brought attention to different parts of the mainstream. I don't know if this is a thing, but I would classify Evanescence as goth pop. It's still I mean, it's still got you. Right. It's still under God. Yeah. But

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It's not because the Muse I mean the music well oh my god. I know that hate for us to say this Brit, but technically music wise they do fit in the goth category because of the

20:11  
franc and it's just that they happen to be more accessible than some of the Oh, yeah, they technically are God, but you know, it's Are you sponsored or something else, you're really going hard? I'm trying to pay for the

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T shirt that we need to know. As opposed to.

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Okay, so I'm trying to explain to you guys how the, how the

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spectrum word Yay, music guys. So apparently here type of negative goth metal. Apparently goth metal was a fusion of death and doom metal. So of course, it says here that goth metal came from goth rock, which was the genre that Frank was talking about. goth metal doesn't come up in my history for the 90s I guess it wasn't, I guess it became more popular, like right at the 2000 mark, but didn't pop up for me on the 90s. And then also on the wiki list, which is a band that came in I like a lot Lacuna Coil was on there. And I could see them being goth rock, or goth metal. Maybe when they first came out, but now not so much so yeah, but I know trends change but then also they have the aesthetic. Yeah, they do. They do have this aesthetic. Yeah, um, but uh, yeah, so those were I just wanted to clear that up Yeah. Because type of negative was the one that got me that I just kicked myself for not mentioning the type of negatives because right off the bat I'm like, Yeah, I when I saw them on the list, I was like, Fuck Yeah. Um, next one, Frankie and I always listened to them when we drive through Corpus Christi. Yeah, I need to I shouldn't listen to more type of negative because everything I've heard of type of negative I like I just need her steals voices. Welcome. Yeah. Um, next piece of

21:55  
hangover. This has to do with Britt Britt Kane had at the end of last episode, she has a very fucking important question. Where did the power ballad come from? Because we're talking about hair metal. And we all know that hair metal bands, every one of them pretty much had a power balance. So I'm doing my research. And sure enough, I can get into the reasons why they did.

22:15  
So let me see what does it say here? So frank, I don't know. Frank had done some research on this. And I don't know if he did it on the show or off the show. But you were saying something about a sentimental ballad. And pretty Yeah, pretty much that was like the very beginning but that was back in like fucking medieval times or whatever.

22:35  
So I'm gonna go to the power ballad. So this is where the 80s thing so I'm gonna go to the urban dictionary. Definition real quick. Urban Dictionary. Urban Dictionary says the power ballad is an emotional, hard rock heavy metal song, often with a slow tempo, tempo, dramatic sung vocals and many instruments, including acoustic ones and synthesizers. So yeah, I mean, that was pretty much what was going on in the 80s. Then Wikipedia, had this guy who pretty much defined it. His name was Charles Aaron, and he was a music journalist for 23 years. He was also an editor too. But you guys remember Spin Magazine? Yes. Yeah. Hell yeah. Spin was okay. So he was a journalist and editor for Spin Magazine for 23 years. And this is what he said. So according to Charles Aaron power ballads came into existence in the early 1970s, when rock stars attempted to convey profound messages to audiences while retaining their macho rocker Mystique. The Hard Rock power battle typically expresses love or heartache through its lyrics shifting into wordless intensity and emotional transcendence, with heavy drumming and a distorted electric guitar solo, representing the power in the power ballad. So basically, the slow songs, the heavy drums and the, like, solos. The power was supposed to be from the guitar solos to basically like just make it you know, okay, yeah. And I think one of the songs that that pops into my mind when I because we were talking about everybody in that era doing power ballads. One of them was Metallica, and one of their famous more famous songs is a power ballad, which is nothing else matters, right? And now on pretty much as a slow build up until it gets to the solo and the solo just kind of tears the whole song open.

24:11  
emotionally. So then Aaron goes on and says, Aaron argues that the Hard Rock power ballad broke into the mainstream of American consciousness in 1976 as FM radio gave a new lease of life to earlier love songs, such as bad fingers without you led zepplin Stairway to Heaven and Aerosmith stream on which I'm like yeah, so those were those were definitely power ballads but before metal, so I'm going to go into the hair metal stuff.

24:36  
The carpenters I'm gonna skip that part. British heavy metal band Judas Priest wrote many power ballads starting with dreamer deceiver and beyond the realms of death. Doing this research I found out that I hate power ballads, except for

24:50  
so this is the hair metal part. This is where we get into Britt's answer to her question, which was a good one in the 1980s beginning, you're gonna hate this beginning

25:00  
With journies faithfully and Ario speed Wang is keep on loving you the power ballad became a staple of hard rock performers who wanted to gain more radio airplay and satisfy their female audience members with a slower more emotional love song that is insulting. Yeah, so basically journey I think you should they just lost more points with

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another negative. So I feel like the hair metal guys played on this more like trying to get the girls and that's pretty much what they were used for. So frank, I think is gonna hate probably this part because it does talk about record labels, but I'm gonna go on with this motley crew is one of the bands showcasing this style with songs such as Home sweet home, which I fuckin hate, and you're all I need.

25:45  
I fucking hate it was not part of Wikipedia I added that in nearly every hard rock and glam metal band wrote at least one power ballad for each album. And record labels often release these as the album second single. So the record labels were actually pushing these guys if they had a hair metal band on their roster. You had to have a power ballad on because you can have your your single, like you can have Dr. Feelgood whatever the fuck. The next one is gonna be a fucking power balance. That's gonna be the second single when grunge appeared as a counterpoint to the excesses of the 1980s hard rock and glam metal. One of the distinctions of the grunge style was the absence of the power ballads to have like a grunge ballad I guess not, I guess because grunge was slow in general. And it was it had emotion in it but it wasn't.

26:32  
It wasn't like love songs. Yeah, it wasn't like love songs. Yeah, it was like, I mean like some of the slower stuff like Allison chains like down in a hole or something comes to mind, but that's not okay. I'm gonna scratch that because power ballads are love related. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. To emphasize the emotional aspect of a power ballad crowds customer customarily held up lighters adjusted to produce a large flame, which I miss an alternative might be a turned on smartphone screen, which is lame. So I remember like when I first started going to concerts, so I started going, I know this was going on way before and I was probably cooler than like in 2000. So the I think that was like the tail end of people using lighters, and I remember going to shows and like people would hold lighters up and you could feel all the fucking heat fuckin lighters they're like god damn, he got hot in here.

27:20  
And I just like I'm trying to imagine how that was in the 80s like, cuz everybody had a fucking lighter and all that hairspray hairspray.

27:30  
But, uh, I mean, I hope that answered your question. So now we know who started that. Yeah 80s hair metal power ballad stuff and it kind of started with journey. And then going into it Motley Crue were like the poster boys for the power balance for a hair metal power balance. Yeah all on one like you said, yeah. And and you see I was kind of throwing that around like joking around because we all know they did but I was just like, oh, they all did but then it turns out that Yeah, labels legit wanted everybody to have one and I you know, I don't think any of that. Dee Snider used to have a radio show called

28:03  
The House of hair. And he used to play hair metal like for three hours a night on the weekend. He would play just hair metal bands, you request them any hair metal band that wasn't popular like if you wanted to hear it he would find the band and go He knows hair metal so

28:18  
so and I was just curious Do you know if Twisted Sister had a fucking power pole? I can't picture Twisted Sister. No, I mean I should have done that research because I just thought about that question they may have but i don't

28:32  
i don't know if Twisted Sister were really like up there. I think they were for a while but only because of those two songs. We're not gonna take it in. Yeah, but I mean, I don't know if they were like

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compared to other bands like Motley Crue at the time Motley Crue or, like yeah,

28:51  
that's the one Yeah, like I don't know if they had that same commercial success or appeal I don't think so. Honestly, they came across as a caricature of themselves Yeah, right funny there was but whereas those other bands they weren't they did not see themselves comically. It was like they were serious Twisted Sister was was basically Steel Panther before Steel Panther. Pretty much Yes. That's pretty much when they were um, and plus i think they even parody the whole thing on their on their heavy metal Christmas. Oh, we heard I saw I heard one. Yeah, yeah. Christmas, like six leather pants five. Pentacles. That's clever. Oh, yeah. Like 12 Days of Christmas. Yeah. So I think they like parody the whole thing. So I think I think that the the whole thing was just like a gimmick. It's just so funny how much respect he had for it, though, because he ended up having a show about it. Like he's still like, he represented her metal to like, for a while. Like, I think there was some like court things going on. I don't know when the hearings were about it was about

29:49  
like kids listening to metal and stuff. And he was like one of the head. Like, oh, was this like during the 90s when they're trying to push the Parental Advisory. So yeah, it was that yeah. So like he was, I mean, he was

30:00  
Was there and right but anyways, moving on to the next thing. So um, y'all good though with the answer? Yes. Thank you. Sorry about journey though. It's okay. It's not your fault. The next one was from Britt as well. It was about yo MTV Raps. So we were trying to figure out like when that came out, we were trying to guess so yo MTV Raps actually debuted in MTV on MTV Europe from 87 to the mid 90s. And here in the US, it ran from August 88 to August 95. Okay, so came out late 80s. So I guess that was around the Run DMC time. Yeah, Beastie Boys. Yeah. So they might have been on there. I'm not sure.

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The next one, the next part I have. That's the end of my

30:42  
what's hangover hangover? Yeah, almost forgot what was called. So Frank was talking about I had brought up for him to talk about the rockin espanol, those come up in the 80s. And I know you were talking about the like the artistic oppression that was going on over there. And I don't know if you were talking about also that extending into South America because I didn't know that that was pretty much going on in Brazil as well. Yeah, one thing I did find out, and I thought about it after the fact that I saw it come up in my research that a Rock in Rio is a pretty big Music Festival, especially in the rock community. It happens every year. I've seen some of the we've seen some of the biggest bands play. I know. Kim and I have seen some of their performances from rock and Rio we've seen event sevenfold, Slipknot, Metallica, we've seen all kinds of bands play there. So rock and Rio actually came out started in January 1985. In Brazil, the rock and Rio festival took place in Rio de Janeiro, which brought together over 1 million people to the Can you say that for me?

31:43  
See, to see that the rock? Yes. So that's a venue where they held it. And that was held during the during the 10 days of the event and is to the To this day, the country's biggest most influential festival. And the reason why I bring it up is going to be right here. It represents a milestone in freedom of expression as in that is, as in that same year the country saw the end of the dictatorship and it is responsible for establishing Brazil as a venue for international artists. So far foreign attractions had been rarities so that's why when you go to the comment section you'll see come to Brazil come to Brazil Coronavirus. Oh, like yeah, yeah, yeah. So I see that like, American bands, European bands, you know that it was rare for them to get that. And then that festival when they established it. Yeah, that year, it was to celebrate the freedom that they had all. And that kind of tied to what Frank was talking about, as I Oh, shit. I was like, it all kind of went together. Yeah, cuz like in the 80s, a Latin America was going through, like a really conservative government, like all the countries. And so yeah, you know, there was a lot of pushback, like, in the music community, because they wanted to hear the stuff. But sometimes artists wouldn't get there. So they had to make their version of the stuff that they wanted to see. Oh, yeah. No, that makes sense. Yeah. Um, yeah, when I read that, I was like, rock and Rio was still like, to me if I would have a chance if I if I had a chance to go to rock and Rio. I would definitely, because it just looks like a fucking experience. Like even the crowds there. Like Frank was talking about, like, they, they don't see artists like that there all the time. So like, they lose their shit over there. Like the crowds over there are totally different than ours and totally different from the European ones. Yeah, like, those guys go off over there. Like though, they'll sing the whole damn, they'll sing the guitar solos. I've seen it and it's so fucking crazy. Like, yeah, it's it's insane. Yeah, they're like, instead of seeing the parts, like to the songs, though, like seeing the guitar parts, and like, that's how into it they get and yeah, not to experience that rock and Rio shit. And then even to play rock and roll is a whole different story. But

33:49  
But yeah, no, I just wanted to bring that up because it was totally connected. And it's rockin Rio still one of those things that's relevant. And it's because of that whole movement that started when Frank was talking about in the 80s. Oh, yeah, for sure. So I bring that up.

34:01  
A beer break again, and then we can get into the topic. Sure, sure. Okay, so we'll do the next beer. And then, Frank, I don't know if you want to give a set up. I know Frank's gonna start us off. Yeah, so

34:16  
I guess

34:18  
this is a little bit of a hangover, but leading into Yeah, topic. Definitely. So of course, in the 80s metal had its, you know, big time and then you had new wave music as well. 80s New Wave they had its, you know, it had its time too. And then the 90s came in. And we had a whole new scene, a whole new sound coming in. And so we saw a lot of these artists adapt, adapt to the new sounds, some are successful at it. Some just couldn't do it. But there was a lot of adapting having to be done. And

34:55  
so yeah, so I mean, I think we're going to explore a lot of that

35:00  
In some ways, and I think in my topic in particular, that we'll be discussing where we're going to be exploring some of that.

35:07  
Some of the changes some of the prominence some of the overall just sound of the 90s. So

35:17  
I'll let everybody take their their sip. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, for before we before we go, thank you, Frank for that. Um, I was trying to like, because sometimes the tab does a weird thing, and the beer starts dripping out the side. And I was like, what I was trying to tell you Oh, no, give me that. Well, I was trying to like, I don't know what you were saying. I was trying to listen to Frank too. And I was like, What the fuck is going on? So it doesn't matter. Like I said, if you don't want to finish it, we can dump it. So I wanted to get this before we go on to the next topic. It's we don't really try stouts often anymore, because I know we don't like styles. But I was like, You know what, I'm gonna try it again. Right. So this is from 903 brewers. This is from Sherman, Texas. We have had beers from them before. I think the only one we liked was maybe the pickle one I don't remember. So this is a snowball stout. This is with coconut vanilla, chocolate and marshmallow. So this is basically the little snowball snack. You know, what is a hostess? Yeah.

36:12  
Okay, so I'm gonna let Britt look at the cans. A little snowball.

36:17  
Okay, yeah, I know those things. Yeah.

36:22  
So I'm gonna go ahead and put snowball on here and then we'll give it a rating. I like I said, I wanted to try a stout again, just to see if maybe we get lucky. We, you know, it's good to try variety on the show. Oh, maybe possibly. I don't know.

36:38  
It's not good. When I take a whiff. This is actually the better stout that we've had. It doesn't have a nice coconut. I can taste coconut as well. Marshmallow think it tastes a little bit.

36:53  
Chocolate. It has coconut vanilla chocolate marshmallow. Yeah, I definitely taste the chocolate is more overpowering, but it's actually not that bad. It's not. It's not that bad. But like, a lot of stouts there's that bitterness at the end.

37:08  
At least it's not cigarettes. No, no, it's not. Ready or coffee. I think it's chocolate heavy. That's why Yeah, it tastes very cocoa. Yes. Or Coco.

37:19  
Coco, Coco. Okay.

37:23  
This new one? Yeah. Oh, that's right. Oh, do you have a new one? athletic brewings Oktoberfest. It's third, third annual. I'm assuming this is the third time that they make it.

37:35  
It's a non alcoholic festive beer. That's what it says. Yeah, let me let me give it a sip. Okay. And while you do that, Britt Kim. What do y'all read this one?

37:46  
I think I'm gonna give it a three. It's not it's not horrible. No, it's one of the better stouts we've had in a long time. Like 2.8 1000 even a to 2.8 to four Kim. I give it three. Okay. Rank how's that Oktoberfest?

38:00  
Go with the four. Oh, okay, cool. And then Britt's gonna give it a try.

38:08  
Oh, that's nice. That's good. Finish this I did open my beer that y'all got me last week that went with the with the big O with this drink.

38:20  
I drink it drink some one day like poured it in a glass and then I put plastic wrap over and put it in

38:26  
drink some another day and then I put it back with plastic

38:31  
three three days. Oh shit. Okay, so yeah, so now we know it takes three days to drink one liter of beer. We would not survive Oktoberfest

38:41  
Yeah, no, I wasn't I was contemplating opening that cannon but I was delicious. It is yet to find have Yeah, have we not had that beer? I don't think we have I don't know because I was like I miss it. You're the beer keeper. Yeah, I'm gonna have to okay so remind me guys after the show the check the list? I'm not sure maybe we had the pollen or maybe we had a bottle maybe but I'm sure it might not have been official October yes one cuz I know pollen or makes other other beers. Oh, we did jack the coaster from that. Oh, yeah, we got Paul in

39:12  
there. Also I yeah, I'm like, Well, I'm taking a coaster. I think in Germany though. It's pretty standard. Even if you go to just like a restaurant, you're gonna get this size

39:23  
mug for your drink.

39:26  
Like for cokes and stuff? I mean, I for alcohol, like have a Pepsi? Because I mean, I think like the Germans I mean, they they drink they go through beer like it's water. You know? Because they're like a pretty beer heavy. So this is like nothing to them. Yeah, I mean, Well, shit.

39:44  
About the the server's who bring out trays full of glasses full of beer. That was a good series. Yeah. That's great. I think that's why a lot of German women are stout.

39:56  
It's crazy. Yeah, Oktoberfest we're gonna have to buy like one

40:00  
Then like split Yeah, they're doing or like nothing. Sorry. We're married. She spilled her beer.

40:08  
No, that's crazy. I mean, I'm glad you liked it. I think I just I just, it looks cool to me. And I'm like, oh, if I find a chance to get it, I'm thinking maybe maybe I can find out total wine because I know total one has imports. Yeah, in the back. So I'm gonna see if maybe I can find another one. But uh, yeah, another one liter man just thinking about drinking that and then like eating at the same time to like, How many? Yeah, I don't know how I couldn't eat too much. It was the beer was great. It Yeah, I really did use plastic wrap and cover it. Cool. That's cool. I mean,

40:36  
do you use the glass though? Okay, I use like a pint glass. Oh, yeah. Cuz I didn't pour very much right. Like, I think I filled it up like this. Hi. Oh, go go on three, three different times. Yeah. Cool. All right.

40:49  
Frank, are you ready to start us off? Yes. So my topic is like, I guess it's a bit broad.

40:57  
I'm going to talk about 90s guitar.

41:00  
The sound of it.

41:03  
The evolution of artists from the start of the decade, from the start of their time going leading into the 90s. And just basically everything 90s guitar, okay.

41:18  
So when I think of 90s guitar,

41:21  
for me, the first thing that comes to mind is just very loud, angsty big sounding guitar. And maybe this is a bit of a cliche. But the guitar sound that is for me, like definitive of the 90s is Smashing Pumpkins is Sherif Brock.

41:45  
Like when I think of 90s guitar right away, I think of Smashing Pumpkins. Because,

41:52  
you know, especially when, especially when I think of that song, I think of the opening riff.

41:58  
How it just starts from like, very, very clean, and then it just like goes into like, just fold out fuzz. Yeah.

42:04  
And so to me, it's like, Nick, that's the 90s alternative guitar. Okay. And now when you think of metal, hard rock, the guitar that I think of most is corn. It's a corns, heavy guitars.

42:20  
Sensory, yeah, seven string energy. I think it was seven strings were around before corn. Cuz I think Steve, I started coming out with like, seven strings in the 80s. But it was, but it was corn, who was like one of the first I think, if not the first band to started, started using seven string guitars in heavy music. And that inspired a whole bunch of other bands to start down tuning in to seeking seven string guitars.

42:47  
And then you also think of just like,

42:51  
you know, the standard 90s alternative guitar like you think bush? Yeah, you think you know, they're trying it?

43:00  
Yeah, yeah. So like for me, 90s guitar, like really, really? Like,

43:05  
you know, it expands? It's not just one sound. Yeah. Can I throw in a couple of other bands just to like cleanse my palate from the talk about? Sure. Jane's Addiction. Yeah, he's addiction. That's Allison chains. Yes, yeah. And

43:21  
also to I mean, that was the start of rap metal as well with rage against the machine and whatnot.

43:27  
But still, to me, the 90s guitar sound is just a Stratocaster plugged into a fuzz, distortion pedal, and you just go all out on it. And

43:42  
even to think about bands, who in the 80s, like New Wave bands, once the 90s started coming around, they started exploring more of the guitar stuff, you know, like the cure, of course, were very keyboard heavy in the 80s. And the guitar was there, but it was for me, it was more of like a background type of Yeah, no texture. And then the 90s came around. And he started exploring like guitar a bit more. In the same thing with Depeche Mode. You know, they're very keyboard heavy. Once the 90s started coming around, they started going more the guitar route. Yeah. And yeah, the guitar was in the front. Yeah. Yeah. And so yeah, so so you start to see more bands exploring

44:26  
the guitar a bit more. But, you know,

44:31  
I don't know. This is something about 90s guitar that I always just like gravitate towards and

44:38  
you know, like, like, like, when you look at my my pedal board, you can say oh, you know, why did you buy this? Oh, cuz I love Smashing Pumpkins. Right? Or why'd you buy that? Or because I love the cure, right? Yeah, but it's not like I'm trying to emulate that. Yeah, it's just more like, I grew up listening to that and I like it. So I want a little piece of it. Yeah. familiar. Yeah. comfortable. And also to you know, like, like I said,

45:00  
Corn as well, too. They started coming out the seven string guitars and then right away, everybody wanted to buy a seven string guitar. And I guess the most recent phenomenon that I can think of, while these recent 20 years ago is recent, but whenever Levine came out, did

45:17  
rates like what what? I know, this is like a whole different decade, right. But when Avril Lavigne came out, a lot of chicks started dressing like her. And they started buying the guitar that she was that she was playing at the time. You know, and so when Smashing Pumpkins came out, I'm pretty sure a lot of kids listening to the 90s said, you know, I'm going to go out and buy a Stratocaster and buy a fuzz pedal because I really love Smashing Pumpkins, or I'm going to go out and buy a seven string guitar because I really love corn. Yeah, you know, that's what happened. That's exactly what happened. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, I wasn't a teenager in the 90s. I mean, I don't know, like nine, nine came around, and I was 13 years old. But if I were a teenager at the start of the 90s, all the way through the end of the decade, I would have had a better experience, musically living through the 90s you know, because you're jealous, right? I yeah.

46:12  
Because, you know, like, when I was listening to music as a kid in the 90s

46:17  
this is whatever my friends were listening to whatever my parents were listening to. So it wasn't until later they started. They started discovering music on my own. But they're, you know, it's, I guess,

46:30  
I mean, of course, I remember like bands like like blur, or Oasis and stuff like that. And after have always and that's all familiar to me, you know, because and that's awesome. Yeah. And that's also another aspect of this alternative band. According to this one guy on Facebook. Yeah. And you know, blur of course, and oasiz like, that's all like, like British. Yeah, yeah. British British, like Britain.

46:57  
And so that Yeah, Britpop era, and that's also another guitar sound of its own. Yeah, that 90s Britpop Oh, yeah, they definitely had Yeah, it was like, it was just like straight like fuzz like without Yeah, because we had like fuzz and distortion but they weren't like just like fuzz or something like that. Yeah. And so

47:16  
you know. So those those are some of the bands that I remember just just growing up watching MTV and even had some like the electronic rock type stuff like he had like some fat boy slim I think was also incorporating guitar into his his electronic music and even Moby started doing it too. But Moby actually had a background he's he's got like, a punk hardcore background. So he's, you know, he's played in punk bands before and then he started going off and started doing his own like, solo electronic thing. And

47:47  
that yeah, I mean, and rage against the machine to you know,

47:51  
talk about their guitar sound. So it was really angry and angsty. And that's another thing too, about 90s guitars that it there's a lot of like anks to it. Yeah, it was really raw. And just like you said, angsty it was Ron angsty like we don't. And it wasn't like, so produced, like, it was a. And I think that was probably the last, I want to say, the 90s going into early 2000s was probably like the last of Frank and I talked about this all the time on the show. The last of like, recording in the studio, like with live like amps. Yeah. And getting that raw sound that grunge had that, you know, the indie, the garage rock bands had, like all that stuff, like now it's all digital. And yeah, and you know, stuff like that. And also, not only that, too, but I think in the 90s everybody had something to say, yeah, you know, so it's like, I'm angry. I'm just gonna express the shit out of my anger through my guitar. Now. It's like, I'm just gonna write a record on Facebook that that is true, because you have bands like, well, example like Rage Against the Machine. You had that on the political side. And then you had just that a lot of the grunge bands were just like, stuff that was going on in there. You know, it was the emotion that was from the region. And then, yeah, like, yeah, yeah, it was just like, all just different types of aggression and anks coming from from different things. And, yeah, now it's just, I don't know what it is now. Like, when we get into the 2000s. And 2010s is going to be hard, because I don't know where the inspiration or the influence Yeah, from and also to just, you know, speaking of like, angry guitar, like listening to some, you know, like, we talked about Rage Against the Machine, too. And then he listened to some of the earlier tool stuff, and that was also really angry.

49:35  
And

49:37  
even to, you know, also talking about corn like, Jonathan Davis, I mean, if you read his bio, he went through some shit, you know, and I think we have to listen to that first album to figure. Yeah, yeah. And I think just the way

49:54  
his vocal expression was complemented with the guitar, you know, that's like a perfect

50:00  
Like, yeah, like that's, that's what the 90s are right there is like a lot of aggression, a lot of just like anger, a lot of just like needing to say something. And this is the way you're gonna say it. So, to me, you know, I, I love pretty much all decades for what they are. But when you think at the 90s, you think everybody was going through something, everybody was just wanting to say something. And a lot of that was I think, expressed in the guitars, you know, there's something about 90s guitar that just really perfectly encapsulates what a person is feeling. So,

50:38  
and I feel like, to me, that's, it's almost rare, you know, somebody could try to emulate a feeling or an expression. But I think it takes living through something to really, really just, like, hit that note. And it's like, Okay, I know, I like I know where this has gone. You know, I think a lot of that was born out of like, that generation coming, like surviving, like, the super conservative Reagan era. And then, you know, that's kind of like the pushback against that, like,

51:13  
I don't know. I mean, yeah, that has a lot to do with political social stuff. Yeah. And, I mean, I was still a kid, you know, when all that stuff was going on. So I don't remember a lot of it. I remember the music, but I don't I don't know where it was coming from. Right. Um, but like later on, like, the late 90s, early 2000s rage, like even going into System of a Down like, I knew where that was coming from. But all the other stuff. I did it, right. No, that makes sense. I mean, and that's another that's another bad too, is, you know, System of a Down, I always refer back to their first album, because to me, it just had like a very punk sound a very punk feel to it. Especially with the guitars. They're just very loud and abrasive. And,

51:59  
you know, like, their first album is one of my personal favorites. So there's Yeah, just because, again, you know, there's not a whole lot of production going on in it. It's just a band that's fresh. And they're just trying to make some noise trying to be heard. Do you know if Rick Rubin produced that person? I'm not sure. Cuz I know, he produced a lot. Like he's got his name pops up later on in my research, but he from the 80s Yeah, he did a lot of like, he influenced a whole bunch of bands work. Because he worked with other like Beastie Boys and stuff like that. Like, he worked with hip hop and rock artists like all over and he, he was like, a reason for all these sounds and stuff that we got, like in the 90s and 1000s. But I just wanted to mention, because yeah, did I know I mean, he's got like, a very unusual, unorthodox production style. Yeah. Like to the point where he's not even in the studio, and he's just advising you from wherever he is, to do this and do that. And so,

53:04  
I don't know. I feel like whatever Rick Rubin does is pretty much like gold. You know, because he just has a very specific way of doing things and I think even to I think Slipknot to recorded or had had had an album or two produced by Rick Yeah, I believe so. And, and their whole thing was, I don't think he was even in the studio with him. I think he was like, somewhere in Europe and join his vacation and just like telling them what to do. And you're gonna listen, because he's urban. Yeah. Yeah. And then like Rick Rubin was the reason that Metallica came back to because they they were with Bob rock for I don't know how long and I think mostly for that 90s era with Black Album, reload, load and reload. And then when they wanted to come back, which is when they came back in 2007 2009, I'm gonna guess 2009 and it's when they came back with

53:54  
Death Magnetic, which was their first album after saint anger that they had done, which was the last album with Bob rock. And he pretty much brought them back to like, a thrash ear sound or early metal sound. It's still you know, not not that exact sound but he brought them back to a more raw Yes, they did that they weren't hadn't been in a while. And you know, speaking of Metallica for me, and like I mentioned before my favorite Metallica era was load and reload and witches and garage days. incorporated areas.

54:27  
Because again, that was a different sound. Yeah, like it was a more. I guess it was hard rock. Yeah, it was more. It was more hard rock than it was thrash. And I know a lot of like, hardcore Metallica fans will disagree and say that's not their best music, but I personally liked it because again, it was evolution. Yeah. And because of the way the 90s forced a lot of artists to evolve.

54:52  
Metallica went that route. And it just happens to be my you know, yeah. My favorite Metallica sound Yeah. So

55:00  
Yeah, I mean, you can look back at all the errors.

55:04  
But definitely, to me, the most important, as far as sound goes, as far as influence goes is always going to be the 90s. guitar. Okay, now, I mean, we and you can comment more on the because I, I didn't know what everybody had. And what's cool is if no one knows, well, I know no one out there listening knows how we do research. But when we do research, we do it separately, and we don't know, we're gonna say we come. So I pretty much covered all of alternative of metal. And if anyone has any, you know, I know you're gonna have input. And it's gonna have input because I have stuff on grunge and some of the other alternative bands. And I know Kim has to because alternative in the 90s branched in so many different directions, yes, in so many different directions. So I mean, I'll get into that when i when i get into it. And then also to like, if I don't mention it enough.

55:53  
We do have a website, Rockstar, caviar pod.com, where we have all our social media stuff on there. But I also have Spotify playlists, for every episode. And pretty much for these decade ones. They've been really fun for me not only because I've been able to see it's crazy talking about the music evolving, but then I'm doing the playlist and I'm listening to it evolve. So and I've been putting them in order by the years. So every band, every song every you know album that we've talked about, I've been putting it on a playlist in order. That's so cool. And so like from 7071 72 it goes in order as you really go through Spotify. So and you hear like that you hear those guitars evolve. You hear the you hear metal grow, and it's just so crazy hearing it. But yeah, if you guys want to hear it, too, like I said, it's on the website. I don't I don't think I say enough. Say it enough on the show that we do have Spotify playlist. But yeah, you can listen to podcasts anywhere that you listen to podcasts.

56:52  
Y'all want another beer, and then we go to a Brit or Kim. Sure. Okay, give me want to get another beer. And then we'll go into Britt, did you have anything ready to talk about? Sure. Yeah. I mean, well, because I

57:05  
think for these past couple of well, few, I guess now that we've been doing the decades, you've been trying to like

57:12  
think about genres that I knew, or I assumed that nobody else was getting cover. And then also like that might be forgotten otherwise. And so I did that with the 70s with glam and I did it with the 80s with the new romantics and modern stuff. And so for this one, I thought I got to figure out something that's going to get forgotten. And so I decided to talk a little bit about the 90s swing revival.

57:39  
Because that was a really big thing. I did not know about that. Yeah, that was a really, really big thing became very popular. It came up in some of my research, but yeah, like

57:52  
I think it started in the early 90s but gained a lot of popularity late or like mid 90s and up and in large part I think because of the movie swingers.

58:02  
Because they feature a lot of those 90 swing revival bands in that movie. Okay.

58:11  
Have you all seen that one? No, I have not. I think I've heard of it. But I've never seen Vince Vaughn and Jon Favreau. Okay, no, I've never seen it. And they're, like, striving to be actors and comedians and comedians in LA and they spend a lot of time in these like swing clubs where these bands play. But so there you know,

58:33  
Brian Setzer, from the stray cats had his Brian Setzer orchestra, which was a big band that, you know, was really popular and

58:42  
was part of that. But then of course, there were a whole lot of bands that were making that sound the mighty mighty bosstones were kind of part of that and then

58:52  
the cherry poppin daddies, the squirrel nut zippers, for some reason they will have every day say that. Yeah. real big fish. And there were there were a lot of bands that were and sadly I think a lot of them were one hit wonders. But they they that sound was really popular. There were dance clubs opening all over the place that did swing night swing dance lessons all over the place, even in Waco where I was living at the time. Like kind of not really the coolest place ever was that also tied to the I know there was different waves of ska was that that was tied to that to that was like I think the third wave of scar or something like that.

59:31  
There was a lot of there was a very close tie to that which and of course anytime there Scott, there's punk so it all kind of like lined up but there was it was a really big like revival.

59:43  
It was interesting. It was it was an interesting time because it was became super popular and very mainstream. And it was on the radio and it was in clubs and everybody went and took swing dancing lessons and would go swing dancing during the week and stuff. So it was really fun. That's crazy. Fun. Yeah, I didn't know about that.

1:00:00  
didn't pop up in my research like I especially because I look more towards the rock and metal like areas of yeah music so and I know that that's really that what people remember from the 90s everybody thinks 90s music and they think grand grunge Yeah, automatically, not only grunge and pop and pop. Yeah, that's not that's not what was happening. That's not the only thing.

1:00:23  
I mean, I remember r&b.

1:00:26  
I remember being I mean, I remember r&b being big, too. But that was one genre that I never got into, like, even now. I but I do. But I do remember I just I don't like the feel of r&b. Like, to me, it's like, to me, it's the rap version of the power ballads. No, that's what it is. And I hate power ballads.

1:00:45  
It's art slow, in

1:00:49  
my opinion, but anyway. But anyway, yeah. So that was the kind of genre that I thought about that was not maybe not showing up for other folks. No, yeah, I didn't. It didn't show up on my radar. But I'm glad you bring that up. Because every time y'all do bring something up, it does tie to something else. You know, like you were saying, Yeah, I do have to say that I did see Brian Setzer orchestra, not in the 90s. But I don't know, maybe six or seven years ago, five years ago when he's doing his Christmas thing. Yeah, the brain center orchestra did a Christmas tour. And they have a Christmas album. And it was fantastic. It was the majestic he had the big band with them. And he's like, killer. Oh, yeah, he is it? Yeah, he's a guitarist. Yeah. And that was just outrageously fun. And so, um, okay, so before we go on to the next thing, and of course, if you still have more, you can keep going. No. Okay. So we'll go on to Kim, and then we'll go on to me. So this is our next beer. I've actually had this in here for a while and I wanted us to try it because it's a sour. So this is from the brewery project at 7.94% ABV. Oh, yeah. This brewery is from Wisconsin's from Oh, you Claire. You Claire Wisconsin. It's called Shabet it's an imperial sour ale with milk sugar, rhubarb, BlackBerry, cinnamon and graham cracker. Okay, flavoring and it tastes like

1:02:16  
shit. Okay.

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I was all like Graham.

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Just like a pie or like, or like, a picture of a candle. Like a, like a scented candle.

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Or robot testing something. Oh, that's funny. That is weird. I don't hate it.

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I don't know. It's a

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given it a word. Really? Oh my god. It does.

1:02:49  
Taste like when you're a kid and like, you don't want to taste the medicine. You hold your nose. That's what it does taste like medicine. I can't specifically say what medicine but it does taste like a cough medicine. I'm not getting the medicine. I think it's the route or maybe

1:03:04  
it's

1:03:06  
like some kind of it looks like red celery. Okay, I didn't know that. Yeah, but it's some kind of like, it's very tart.

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tart. It looks just like celery. That's red. I'm gonna give it a like a one. Yeah.

1:03:21  
Oh my gosh.

1:03:23  
I was gonna say like, 3.5 like, it doesn't bother me. So you like it? To some extent? Yeah. I don't taste the medicine at all. It just tastes tart. I'm gonna let Kim go on to hers. Her research and while she does that, do you want me to dump your beer? Yes, please. Okay, I'm gonna dump yours. Don't mind get another beer. Oh, yeah, it does look like it's like a red celery stick. Okay. Oh, yeah, I'm gonna put my headphones down. Okay, so this isn't rock related, but I don't see nothing wrong with a little bump and grind. Yeah.

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We're gonna talk about r&b or rhythm and blues, two components of soul, funk, pop, hip hop and dance.

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r&b originated in African American communities in the 1940s with the term was used by record companies to describe recordings marketed predominantly to urban among African Americans.

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RMB and lyrical themes often encapsulated the African American experience of pain, the quest for joy, the quest for freedom and joy, as well as triumphs and failures in terms of relationships, economics and aspirations.

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In the late 1980s, and early 1990s, hip hop started to capture the imagination of the America's youth and r&b started to become homogenized

1:04:44  
with a group of whatever I was like writing, so sloppy.

1:04:50  
It's a teacher tell us what it means. homogenous, yes. That means is that like when you grill something? No, because like homogenization is like the process.

1:05:00  
That milk goes through right to like, just stuff. So it's like to it means to make yeah to like disinfect it to make it okay. bland like one unified you know what I mean like

1:05:14  
yeah but no but it mean it's like not a compliment if you say something's been homogenized it means that it's like all been it's all been turned to the same taste the same. The same Yeah. You're like generic Yeah, okay I gotcha gotcha. By a groups of high profile producers responsible for most of the r&b hits. With the rise of hip hop. It was hard for some r&b artists to sell or have their music heard. But some adopted a hip hop image and were marketed as such and featured rappers in their songs. La read CEO of I don't know if it's la face or laface Records, was responsible for some of r&b his greatest success in the 1990s with the likes of Usher, Toni Braxton, TLC and oystermen. Just to name a few.

1:05:59  
I read this, this is a little

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like a blurb that I got from a spin article, I believe. And again, I totally I kind of agree with this, that they said the 90s may have been the last decade when r&b was the dominant force in black music. And personally, I loved and still love 90s r&b music, and I feel like they just don't make music like that anymore. Well, yeah, I mean, I think we could say that about it's kind of weird because the 90s like when it comes to that genre, and then anything in rock like it's gone, like because it's it doesn't exist today either.

1:06:37  
Even though I was a child in the 90s, like elementary school, and maybe the themes were a little mature, I still love

1:06:48  
r&b and also just holds a lot of nostalgia for me and some of my faves are in vogue. Yes, WV Mariah Carey, TLC, Dru Hill, genuine montell Jordan, Brian McKnight, Tony Toni tone, Bell Biv DeVoe and next to Bell Biv DeVoe. I love those guys. And so I also just want to add to that like, everything ABC too many like, another bad gration, remember, they were like this big they were like 12 year olds, and then what's the other kid banned from criss cross, Chris? criss cross. Yeah, I know. There was so many I couldn't really fit like on my list and on on but I would just I would just be here like, but you like hit all of them. I know that. Yeah. I'm so glad you did that genre, because that was fantastic. To 1980s hip hop. So 1990s hip hop or the golden age of hip hop? Was that as Will Smith on the late 1980s. Early 1990s. No, I think it was more like 2000 2000 with with that, but fresh prints. Yeah.

1:07:51  
Yeah, and there's somewhere but I forgot about that. Yeah. In the 1990s hip hop hit. Arguably its artistic high, but for the first time its artists became superstars in their own right. Hip Hop was used as a mechanism for different social issues. And during the Golden Age samples were heavily used from jazz, funk, soul, rock and rock. Some of the most popular and influential artists and groups of this time opinion alert. Tupac, Biggie Smalls, Cypress Hill, Bone Thugs and harmony Snoop Dogg, Wu Tang clan, the foodies and Queen Latifah. You see, I think I see. Boy, I think like a, like, they kind of went from 87 IDs and that, like, they're two or three albums before the 90s. So I didn't know if that would break Mario's rule,

1:08:34  
though, but they were on that list too.

1:08:37  
I think they did have three albums before the 90s. But they really like broke into the mainstream. And then yeah, it's like I was telling her as long as like it, like, you were like, some were discovered or some started out in the 80s. But there was like, Yeah, 90s Yeah, that's all I'm gonna say. And then in the late 1990s, like P Diddy or Puff Daddy, what everyone's calling

1:09:01  
phones puffy

1:09:02  
may cdmx, Dr. Dre, Jay Z and my favorite, Busta Rhymes.

1:09:08  
And I personally think that some of the late 90s produce some of the best female rappers Yeah, aside from the trash that we're getting nowadays, yes, but the likes of the brat Lil Kim, Missy Elliott and Eve.

1:09:22  
No, no, I agree. You see I I'm more of a fan of the 90s hip hop than I am of the r&b I just r&b the slowness? I don't I don't know.

1:09:33  
No way. It's like

1:09:35  
you're gonna put some invoke on there. Yeah, super Dan.

1:09:40  
You brought your mind. No, no, no. Yeah, you brought up

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what's his name? Asscher. And I know he does like I know what what? You know, his his sound or the sound? Is not all of his was slow though. No, that's all I'm saying. I said No, I know. Now we're talking about that. It wasn't all slow, but I just don't know.

1:10:00  
Purchase so that was my take on those I do have some pop but if you want to go into your stuff

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or I can go yeah we know we can do that and then we'll go into well no no go ahead go into pop that's fine because I feel like mine's gonna go kind of into yours

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Yeah, cuz the new metal stuff. Okay, we'll do that. So I'm going to just touch on the super quickly that in the mid to late 1990s pop punk saw a massive widespread popularity increase with bands like Green Day blink 182 offspring and was further popularized by the warp tour.

1:10:34  
Punk is this sub pop punk is a sub genre of a variation of punk and a form of pop music, and it continued into the early 2000s. And last but not least on my list, late in the 1990s was the pop music explosion to carry us over into the 2000s the British girl groups Spice Girls managed to break the American market becoming the most commercially successful British group in North America since the Beatles. So I thought it'd be fun because no girl and I was in elementary school for like, this Spice Girl. I'm that Spice Girl. So I gave us all Spice Girl. Mario Scary Spice. Oh, I think that was obvious because you know what's curious about? She's my favorite Spice Girl and I was sad to give it to you. So.

1:11:24  
Ginger spice would be Britt. Yay. Because girl power and you know, she was just about that. Okay. Frank is Posh Spice.

1:11:35  
Okay, who would you want to be?

1:11:38  
What you want what you really?

1:11:41  
I mean, I'm cool posh, but

1:11:44  
I don't know. sporty?

1:11:47  
I mean, he does ride bike. Yeah.

1:11:50  
He does ride

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a bike.

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Either baby spice or Sporty Spice. And I didn't know I was gonna let y'all designate me as a Spice Girl. I would say maybe sporty? Because I don't know. Like, either. Like some of the stuff you've talked about is pretty athletic. Well, but that means that you would have no no, because there's a Spice Girl. Right? Yeah. Okay, so then. Yeah, well, that would be fun. Yeah, that is and the Spice Girls actually got their little nicknames by some journalists that they were being interviewed by. He couldn't remember their names, especially because there was two males and there's MLB MLC and so he just kind of was like, That was scary because she's loud. And that one's You know, he just kind of gave them the names and then they'd kind of just stuck with them in this crazy

1:12:46  
impact of the Spice Girls bomb and pepper spice, pepper.

1:12:51  
spice. I know.

1:12:53  
The impact of the Spice Girls brought about a widespread invasion of teen pop acts to the US charts, which at the time had been predominantly dominated by grunge and hip hop prior to the success of the group. between 1997 and 2000 we started to see groups and artists such as insync, Backstreet Boys, 90 degrees,

1:13:13  
forgot the Princess of pop Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Destiny's Child and more. In 1997. The Rise and explosion of boy bands exploded commercially and dominated the US market in the late 1990s and marketed the height of boyband popularity in North America which has not been seen since.

1:13:35  
The Milan still a thing are there some Yeah, but it's not as popular as it was the late night. I think they tried to like do that again. Yeah, and I think the boyband resurgence kind of came back but on from I can't say this word either from Korea but because of Kpop so because Kpop has a lot of boy bands now and now the biggest one that's exploded here in the States has been

1:14:02  
fuckin ban it's letters three letters Yeah.

1:14:06  
l o BTS. Say BLT?

1:14:11  
Yeah, BTS Yeah, like that's one but like a lot of the boy bands now that are popular are in Korea and they're from Korea, but the one that's made it big here in the states is in BTS. What is BTS? mean? I forget No, no, but I thought it was to say like buy this shit, but

1:14:29  
the labels?

1:14:31  
That's right. But the most successful boy band manager was Lou Perlman. Yes. And he was the manager, Backstreet Boys and NSYNC LFO and o town and Simon cowl was like the UK blue Perlman who managed British boy band five. So with the boy bands that were dominating the market in the late 1990s, thus the birth and rise of new metal to end the 1990s and carriers

1:15:00  
over into the tooth now, that information is a little incorrect, but we'll go into it when I get it when I get in there, but, but

1:15:08  
um, so before we I don't know what when we looked at what BTS stands for and it says, Bang 10 boys, which I'm guessing might be a town or something in Korea. I mean that makes sense. But B and B is BB it's not BTS so I don't know how that wait to be to be a n g e t a n, boys. Oh yeah. Where does it be come from?

1:15:32  
So BTS is that's what they dropped the boys. I don't know. I'm confused.

1:15:37  
It's Korean stuff. Bangtan

1:15:41  
bt. Oh, I guess I think I know what they did. The D is in the beginning. The T is in the middle and this is at the end. Okay, I'm gonna go with that. Okay, that's so mad. That's my math is on that makes the most sense. So before we go into rock and metal, we're doing another Mountain House. Beer. This one actually is one of their newer ones. A core of Of course, again from Fort Worth, Texas. It's called mega fast jellyfish. It's a pineapple sour with lactose. 10% ABV. Kim, do you like pineapple? Yeah, I like pineapple. I don't like lactose. I know the lactose is one of those things, but let's try it and see what happens. It smells like pineapple.

1:16:22  
Yes, like spicy pineapple candies. like kind of like the reasons that we have. Oh,

1:16:28  
that's what smells like.

1:16:33  
Just say it's like pineapple. It's like pineapple. With a little bit of like

1:16:40  
dryness or something. You know, it's not bad. I would say this is a good pineapple beer. I give it a four. Yeah.

1:16:47  
Okay, so so pineapple. So it's for for me. And then would you say Brit for okay Britain for and Kimmy said 4.5.

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All right, guys, yarn for rock and metal and alternative. You know, before we go into that.

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Kim was talking about boy bands. Yes. And I'm a fan of boy bands. But also

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I want to you know, this ties into what you're going to talk about the band orgy. Okay. Oh, visually, they look like a boy band. Guys. They've got the makeup. They've got the shiny leather suits, and they've got the hair and everything. So they look like a boy band. Right. Okay. And then you know, you listen to them. They're like this, like goth industrial.

1:17:35  
Yeah, you know? Yeah. So yeah, they had the boy band look, but they don't have the boy man sounds. Oh, okay. I mean, I don't know maybe that's debatable, but that's that's how I see it. Kim thoughts comments.

1:17:50  
You know, some people say that the Beatles were the first boyband how I think they I think they were and it's weird with them because I feel like they were and that they kind of morphed into like a rock band. Like it's weird. But I guess for me the argument is that like, boy bands don't play instruments, right that they sing and dance and play instruments and right there I feel like it's also debatable because boy band means to me Don't say

1:18:19  
like all dude. Like all dude bands sitting on a boy band? Yeah, they are a boyband.

1:18:27  
boyband popularity peaked four times in the 1960s or the Jackson Five. And the Osmonds. Okay, so boy bands have kind of been around for a while. Yeah, and so okay, I can see that. Oh, cuz they didn't play instruments, right? Oh, no. Yeah. Oh, that's right. Okay. I remember speaking of boy bands, I remember reading an interview with I cannot pronounce his name. The do from him. villy.

1:18:54  
And

1:18:57  
I remember that like like, he joked and said that him is the perfect boy band because they have blonde dudes. They have chubby dudes they have they have something for everybody. Wow. But that's not how boy bands usually aren't. bands are marketed towards like, you know, teenage girls pretty boys young girl. Yeah. And I mean, I guess by definition, boy band is like a pop band. Right? Yes. But is it but if you're gonna do like, what are you gonna do? Like overall?

1:19:26  
You know, definition and say any male band. Okay, so

1:19:33  
we're gonna make, we're gonna make a new boy band. And

1:19:36  
we're gonna make a boy band and Frank. So I'm gonna go into my topic. Of course, anyone can jump in at any time. Just hit the buzzers that are in front of you guys. And then we can. So I'm going to start off and then I'm going to go into I'm gonna start off with alt rock and then the sub genres of alt rock because we're talking about earlier alt rock was it went into a totally different. Oh, yeah. So yeah, there's so much and then

1:20:00  
Of course, Kim, if you have something that you want to input to that has to do with, you know, anything you talked about. So here we go. So a lot of the stuff I got was from Wikipedia. And a lot of it was from what just I know. So I'm gonna start similarly to the 1980s. Rock music was also very popular in the 1990s. So just like the 80s the night, and we talked about earlier where we were saying like, Kim was saying, like r&b and Sutton's, that kind of music isn't around anymore, like it was stuck in the 90s. Same thing with rock, and I feel like the 80s and 90s had like rock resurgences that were popular in, in, in pop, like, like they were actually charting, like in the like in the top 100 or whatnot. And now there's no prominent rock bands, like you had prominent rock bands in the 80s. Actually, I can even go back to the 70s he had prominent rock bands. 70s Yeah, yeah, you can go back further, but I feel like once the 2000s 2010s hit like, aside from the bands that already existed, you didn't have any new bands coming up that were like really taking over shit. Yeah, I'm so unlike. Unlike the new wave and glam metal dominated scene of the time, grunge, Britpop industrial rock and other alternative rock music emerged and took over as the most popular of the decade, as well as punk rock, ska punk and new metal, amongst others, which attained a high level of success at different points throughout the years. So the first category I'm going to do is alt rock and alt rock. Of course, like we said, multiple times is going to branch. And if you guys have any comments, let me know. By the start of the 1990s, the music industry was enticed by alternative rocks, commercial possibilities, and major labels actively courted bands, including Allison chains, Pearl Jam, Jane's Addiction, dinosaur, Jr, and Nirvana. So basically, all rock was like this thing on the side. And then the labels were all like, Oh, we can, we can market this because some of it is popular here and there. Um, I can't really think of what bands were causing the labels to start looking for more alternative rock bands. But I guess that's a different, that's a different like route of research.

1:22:09  
In particular, REM success had become a blueprint for many alternative for many alternative bands in the late 80s, and 90s. To follow. So REM was, I guess, one of the biggest alternative bands that the labels were looking at, they're like, Oh, we can do something with alternative music. So that's when I started looking at it. And they were around for a lot longer. Yeah, they were like, yeah, the 80s. And I think that that's what was the thing was that they had been around for so long, and they were still like, relevant, you know, through throughout the decades. Like, they're like, okay, we can do something with this, which was, I guess they caught their attention in 90s. Because they were still doing stuff in the 90s. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's when they really got super popular. It was in the 90s. And sadly, I think that's when, you know, they kind of turned to shit. Yeah, yeah.

1:22:56  
It says here, REM had outlasted many of its contemporaries, and by the 1990s had become one of the most popular bands in the world. This is a band I believe you've mentioned, I didn't know about this band, but it said, and then the second part kind of threw me for a loop because I was like, What the fuck, but mazzy star had a top 40 hit with vaden to you, which I listened to was a good song. That was an 83 and then it jumps to this. Oh, 93 I wrote that wrong. 93 horses 1993 and then this part throws me for a loop Smash Mouth recorded hits, walking on the sun and 97 and all star 99 so it's, I know, they throw mazzy star and Smash Mouth together. But I guess because they had top like, just they had populares Yeah. And I was kind of thrown. I was like, why Jethro spad I think it was a troll that was editing Wikipedia. So here are some other bands that were in the alternative umbrella that were popular in the 90s and I'm going to name a couple of albums too. And then if you guys have any, you know thing to say about it, let me know. Red Hot Chili Peppers. First. They were one alternative band that fused the funk and

1:24:06  
funk, metal metal not fucking metal funk and like,

1:24:10  
fucking I don't know.

1:24:13  
Early days Yeah. And they got started in the 80s of course. So they had two

1:24:20  
albums that were kind of like different points that mark different points of success for them. Okay, first one was in 91 was which was blood sugar sex Magik and then they had then then they really broke into the mainstream at the end of the 90s in 99 was Californication but they were still doing they were still you know, known in the 90s. But 91 was like the first like, okay, there's razza peppers and then 99 ozone they really blew out and then of course in the early 2000s and whatnot, Hootie and blowfish, Collective Soul, creed and the late 90s Nirvana Of course and Allison chains because the grunge dinosaur Jr. mighty mighty bosstones live

1:25:00  
The Offspring soul asylum Counting Crows 30 blind. Kim's going to Kim's favorite bands, the breeders who fighters Marcy playground whole Blind Melon garbage. A lot of these two are like kind of like one hit wonders. I can go on with the other categories because these other bands kind of cross into their. These bands were variously influenced by ska, punk, pop, metal, and many other musical genres. So the crazy thing about alternative was it in different branches, it fused with other genres. So like you had one that was alternate, like ska, and alternative. Yes, one was gone. I mean, alternative and punk rise alternative in pop, which one was alternative in metal, which was alt metal? Yeah. So I'm gonna go on with their first branch, which was alt metal.

1:25:46  
So alt metal was a fusion of alt rock and heavy metal. And this was actually a precursor to new metal. So alt metal was in the early 90s, mid and to the mid 90s. And then that pretty much gave birth to new metal, which corn technically gave birth to, and I'm going to talk about them. Yeah. So all metal, these bands that were popular 90s were tool, Jane's Addiction and helmet.

1:26:10  
Those just to name three, I put question mark on Jane's Addiction, because I don't consider them old metal, but they had them under alt metal and I don't Well, I can see that maybe in a different spin.

1:26:22  
They're probably classified as alt metal because the first Lollapalooza feature like a wide variety of bands, some of those included metal bands to so maybe because of Lollapalooza, they got lumped into the maybe I don't think well, maybe there were metal elements, actually. Yeah, I don't know. So yeah, so I was like looking but also to, I think it'd be pay close attention, yo, here, some metal elements in the music. It's a little subtle at times, but I think you'll hear it in there. I think maybe that's what they're, you know, connecting it to. Okay. And then and then what's crazy was all metal branch from alternative, right, but then within alt metal, you also had funk, metal and rap metal. And that was a fusion of metal with funk and hip hop. And those bands were faith, no more premise Red Hot Chili Peppers, which we just talked about, and raging in some machine, red, red chili peppers, I wouldn't put them under the funk metal category, I put them on to the funk rock category. Okay. So I don't know why they're in there. But I can definitely see the other guys. Um, so now I'm going to go into the big one. grunge. So let me just say real quick. I read if it's right or not.

1:27:30  
That in September of 1988, billboard introduced alternative into their charting system to reflect the rise of music being played on their radio from underground independent and non commercial rock. Oh, shit. That's interesting. You said ADA. Oh, shit. So it's as old as No, that's Yeah, that's crazy. I don't know that good. Good info.

1:27:49  
So grunge was popular from the early 90s to mid 90s. Which is weird because so hair metal came out, right. And then everybody wanted to be a hair metal band. Right, even Panthera. So, so hair metal was around for what? Pretty much all of the 80s right, that we talked about if we can remember that. I mean, I think they probably started to wane a little bit towards the end to the end. Right. But when did it technically become hair metal? Oh,

1:28:14  
I want to sue. I want to say like, maybe 84 because I was going I'm trying to remember the Spotify playlists. I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and guess 84 and it went on. But we have the same thing. Oh, but the but the weird thing is that so hair metal kind of died like an 8283. And what's crazy was that warrant caught the tail end of that, because they had that song.

1:28:41  
Yeah, so they had cherry pie, right? And it's weird because they're like, yeah, we're breaking into it. We're part of hair metal now and then hair metal fucking down. The rest of those guys are like, you're a little late. Yeah, exactly. And that's what I thought was kind of funny, because I saw them on here. And I know everybody is like, only knows him for that song. Right? I mean, I know they did other you know that people knew that probably for other shit. Exactly. When they did apple pie, too. And

1:29:09  
so

1:29:10  
so yeah, it just kind of interesting to me that grunge killed that off, right? Because I was kind of like a counter. A counter to to, to hair metal because hair metal was like a lot of excess and shit. And then the 90s was more like Okay, get serious guys stop poking around. Yeah, and there were let's make some good music. Exactly. That means something. We're not gonna do ballads. So they did scarves. Exactly. So

1:29:33  
so but it was weird because grunge only kind of lasted from the late 80s to like the mid 90s like grunge bands were still continued like we talked about Pearl Jam and stuff. But like the grunge

1:29:48  
aesthetic, I guess because even like visually, you could see like Pearl Jam change to Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So so you could you could see like that.

1:30:00  
style or fashion, I should say, like was just contained in those few years of the 90s, which is fucking crazy. So I'm gonna talk more into that. And then you guys can, you know, bring whatever input you have let me Sure. So grunge and its associated subculture was born out of the Pacific Northwest American states of Washington and Oregon, so we all know is mainly like Seattle, right? We're Portland too. Yeah. And that was in the 1980s. So it all kind of started in the 90s, the late 80s. The bands that brought grunge to the forefront in the 90s mainly, it mainly happened in 91. And that was with Nirvana's Nevermind, which was released in 91, Soundgarden, Allison chains and pro jam releasing 10 in 91, is they said 10 was released in 91. But it didn't gain popularity until 92. Which was I don't I don't know what happened there. But that's what Wikipedia said. Yeah, so it's Soundgarden super unknown. And Allison chains dirt. Okay. And then also I found on the list Stone Temple Pilots core. I think you got to back up just a little bit to go and talk about like mad honey and Mother Love bow. So we talked about mud, honey. Well, I talked about mudhoney. A little bit last episode, because yeah, they were at the tail end, right. bridging that gap. And Mother Love Bone of courses, the Pearl Jam before? Yeah, yeah, yeah. and stuff. But I mean, they're there. If you go back and listen to that stuff. I mean, they're definitely responsible. It's just crazy, though. Because it was it was more indie. Like, because it was only in the it was only in that region. And it was only like it was popular in that culture there. Yeah. But like, because I read was that it became commercially successful due to the release of these these albums. Yes. Yeah. So yeah, grunge existed. Yeah. For the commercial. Yes, exactly. And it had a following it just explode everywhere else in those albums. Yeah, yeah. And I think pro jams 10 is definitely super important part of that. And

1:31:58  
the even flow video, yes. Yeah. It was like Yeah, yeah, blowing people's minds and stuff. Yeah, it was like a big part of that. And then, so during the mid 1990s, many grunge bands broke up, or became less visible. The death of Kurt Cobain in early 1994, as well as touring problems for pro jam due to the band's much publicized boycott of Ticketmaster marked the decline of the genre. So I know that's the first thing everybody brings up is the death of Kurt Cobain in 94. Because that's when the we were talking about now the the the aesthetic of grunge started to decline. Yeah, um, but I didn't know about the whole Pearl Jam and Ticketmaster, you didn't know that I didn't know about that was a big deal. So I assume that was like the Metallica Napster thing. I don't know about the metallic and Absolutely, I mean, I think I know like, generally but not like the specifics. But yeah, Pearl Jam had a major issue with Ticketmaster because

1:32:54  
the fees that ticket master was charging they actually still stuff about it, and they just did not agree. And there were I think there was like a lot of fighting between those two groups there. And so Pearl Jam said, we're gonna do

1:33:07  
we're gonna tour without that shit. We're gonna so they did. It was after they toured for 10. What's the next album after that? versus they when they toured for versus they toward University theaters? Oh, yeah. So they toward like tiny theaters or indie college campuses all around the country. And then after that they toward and I don't remember what album was, but I went to this tour they they toured, like, I don't know, the show that I saw was in a field in the middle of nowhere in Austin, but like the outskirts of Austin, but some places it wasn't a good furniture store. No, it wasn't surprisingly, nor was it a sandwich shop. Okay. But we we had to like call in and order our tickets on the phone like touchtone phone like those days, very difficult to do. The tickets were printed and they had like funky artwork. They were like, massive, like this big. Mine somewhere. So yeah, it was it was huge. And it was just in a flat field with a stage at the end of the field. It was a big mess. It was dirty, nasty. Gross. But so it was what so none of us paid any extra fees. Yeah.

1:34:21  
I didn't know about that. Yeah, it was a big, big deal. Okay, so that was I guess, the torian problems with that. I think that was that that tour was like

1:34:31  
95 that yeah, that's Yeah, that's around that that that area of time. That's That's fucking crazy. So the weird thing about this is that so Can anyone tell me I didn't write this down. I do the research because it's kind of like a no brainer, I guess. What was the style of grunge like fashion wise. Everybody will say it's like torn up blue jeans, combat boots, flannel shirts, and dirty t shirts that are ribs. You know, long hair.

1:35:00  
You know what I scruffy beard. You know what I think of you remember that episode of The Simpsons when Homer goes where he's performing as the cannonball guy?

1:35:09  
Yeah, that's classic. Yeah, that's what that's the first thing I think of when I think of grunge for chicks, maybe like chokers, overalls.

1:35:18  
shit like that.

1:35:20  
Dog cool like dresses. Yeah, baby doll dresses were big. Yeah, so we all know about grunge. Yeah, I didn't know. Post grunge. Do you guys know well, postcrash post grunge probably but I've never called it that. Okay, so I mean, can you I'm just gonna see if you can name me a post grunge man. Not the best example. But part of the mod is a post grad. Okay, okay. Okay, no, no, back it up a bit. Okay, let's let's stay in the 90s can linea post grunge band in the 90s I might give everyone a shot. I'm gonna go silverchair

1:35:52  
Good one. Okay, Brit, post Grinch g

1:35:58  
they weren't on the list, but I

1:36:01  
okay, Kim postcrash. Guess I could probably see filter. And then I'll give you the answer's no guess at all. Okay. You lose

1:36:10  
the 1000 minus 1000.

1:36:13  
So post grunge was like grunge but with a more radio friendly, commercially oriented sound.

1:36:21  
Feel the leader? Yes, that's a good. So the leader of post grunge ironically, was Foo Fighters. Which is kind of weird because he wasn't avant not weird, because it's like make sense. Yeah. But as he wasn't Nirvana with that, because he didn't intentionally do that. You know what I mean? Like he didn't be like, set out and be like, I'm gonna make a post grunge band. No, no, not Yeah, so ironic. That's why saying erotically so Foo Fighters was the first one I'm going to list off the post grunge bands from the 90s candlebox bush Collective Soul. I was gonna say collect they had I said they had creed on here and I don't agree with it coming out.

1:37:00  
Match. Match.

1:37:03  
matchbox 20. I don't agree with that either. Saying me higher last night bed like a couple bars. I don't know why I should. I don't know why. But like you like saying, Can you take me higher? Like, remember why ever? Why my sleeping pills? Funny. I'll pay you money.

1:37:27  
Also, in a subtle way, like talking about Jesus or something? No, no, he it's you would think that because everyone thought that he was everywhere?

1:37:37  
Are they? Are we sure they're not? No, we're sure. We saw a video on it. Yeah, they're talking about something else. But just because that one's Oh, it's it's actually about dreaming like lucid dreaming, like being in a higher state when you're in your sleep and you're praying.

1:38:02  
Oh.

1:38:06  
Okay, so, next. Do you guys want to try another beer before going into the next?

1:38:12  
Beer Kim? How many beers have gotten there? One right. Well, there's more of them on the bottom line for my line. There's one Okay, so I'm gonna let her get the next one that will go into I'm gonna start the next. Okay. The next category of alternative was indie rock. So this was bands and genres that remained underground. So indie rock also pertain to other genres, which is weird. So like if there was any kind of underground, I guess? fuckin country. It counted as any rock. I don't know is weird. Ricky I mean, Britt. Kim, can you do the honors? This is from three nations brewing. I don't remember where these guys are from but it's a lemon meringue pie. Texas, Carrollton. Texas, Carl. I don't know that's from and then if you can put I don't know where that is my big boy cup. Carlton. Look it up.

1:39:00  
Whoa, what was that? She almost broke your

1:39:05  
eye. It's lemon marine. I don't want a lot. Okay. I don't like lemon stuff. So barely like it.

1:39:14  
I heard a ding and I was like, Well, let me see. Ya know, the cans do that. I don't know. It's not you. Okay, good. So I use the beer. Yeah, I don't know what the cans been doing that like all the cans have been doing that to me that that chorus Yeah, they need that breathing thing.

1:39:30  
So Carlton is this it gets a little after ways between waco in Dallas. Oh, interesting. Okay. Okay, so, so that's where this is from. I don't know what the ABB on this is. Like I said it's a lemon numeral it can find it real quick. Probably doesn't have ABV on there. I'm just kidding. It's another meet up with your damn stickers. I know right?

1:39:56  
On the bottom. Now don't do anything. I'm okay.

1:40:00  
Now that's fine. Rosie says lemon meringue pie. That's fine. All right, let's give it a

1:40:06  
Kim's finding with this. We'll see what happens. It smells terrible. Did I sound it 5.2% does smell weird. It smells like

1:40:17  
it smells like a lemon pie that was sitting in plastic container for a while. In the sun in the

1:40:24  
backseat of the car.

1:40:27  
plastic container

1:40:30  
napkin.

1:40:32  
I'll be right back. Y'all talk.

1:40:38  
I'm gonna talk better than me apparently. Here.

1:40:41  
I'm missing words. Okay, so.

1:40:45  
Okay, so I'm gonna drink from the from the big boy cup. Too much.

1:40:50  
Okay, let's face it.

1:40:53  
It tastes better than it smell

1:40:56  
it like that. graham cracker. Lemon does taste better. It's been it's very vanilla. It's more vanilla than it has. I mean, it has like, you know what it tastes like? If you could taste it. It tastes like lemon dish, though. If you could taste it, if you could. And it was diluted a little bit. Does it taste like tasted again? No.

1:41:17  
I don't know. I like tasting Ajax or something. lemonade, jack. Okay.

1:41:22  
It's not tart. It's not it's not tart. It's our bad watered down tasting. Yeah, I might give it like 2.5. It's like in the middle for me. Yeah, I can finish it. But it's in Carrollton, Texas. We said that's why I looked at it two times. I was like, car roll. Co carrolltown. Double o double r double l Oh, yeah. Cuz I looked up, Carlton, and all there is is like five houses and a post.

1:41:48  
I don't think there's

1:41:51  
a brewery. The breweries in the houses? Yeah.

1:41:56  
In the post office.

1:41:58  
Okay, so what do you read it?

1:42:00  
It's like diluted lemonade or something. It's weird.

1:42:05  
We're also coming off of some pretty sour sour so that maybe that's medicine. Okay. Cancer. Robot tested. I think.

1:42:13  
My COVID Just kidding. I mean, we're all about in the same ballpark. I mean, yeah. I mean, I don't think it's bad, but I wouldn't buy it on purpose. Like, I wouldn't seek it out. Okay, guys, next category. Oh, did I say any record? No, I didn't write Yeah, you said it. But you didn't. Okay. So indie rock. They had the two big ones Sonic Youth and the Pixies. Thank you. You're welcome. Hallelujah. They also had a pavement. I don't know who this is. You can tell me anything about these bands. archers of loaf? I don't know. Yeah.

1:42:42  
Well, of course Frank knows them.

1:42:47  
All No, you don't i don't think and I won't be surprised. Definitely when

1:42:52  
Slater sleater Kinney Of course, yes. Built to spill Yo, let dangle. Yeah, the breeders superchunk, the Jesus lizard which was one of your favorite bands, this fair and the Flaming Lips. Yeah. Next category ska punk. This was the third wave of ska, and you mentioned some of these bands. This was real big fish. mighty mighty bosstones. sublime and no doubt. sublime. sublime. Yes. I'm just gonna say your line again. This

1:43:23  
sublime No. Oh.

1:43:28  
Yeah, sublime. sublime.

1:43:31  
sublime.

1:43:35  
You're saying like a lime that is a lesser line. You know, I read it. I read it, sir. And then blind. Not

1:43:42  
sub line. Okay, sorry. No, that's funny. I'm not gonna mention that anymore. So the next category what I would say no doubt with like, their first album or Yeah, Korea. Korea. Yeah. That's what I just take a pause there. Yeah. This next one. Kim touched upon it earlier, but you didn't say that album. So I'm just going to name the albums. So this was skate punk and pop punk. This was made popular by Green Day with dukey in 1994 blink 182 with enema of the state and 99 the offspring this was a big one actually. And this was on my favorite albums This is smashed from 94 it's sold over 14 million copies worldwide setting a record for most albums sold on an indie label was 14 million on a fucking in the late I never consider offspring pop mom mean either either but they might no they have some horrible songs that are definitely like really Poppy and embarrassing especially later in the pretty fly for Yeah, I should Yeah, that should never have been recorded. It's funny because that album is my least favorite. Of course and every should be Thank you. Yeah, no and everything else like around that is from the 90s is when I'm but smashes like this is pretty good. And it was more punk influenced. I don't know where the I guess the pop part came

1:45:00  
from it being popular but I don't see that I didn't see them fusing sounding cop yeah so I kind of agree and not agree with that um they also had a rancid on here with let's go and 94 and then they also had no effects with punk and drove like okay and it for no i didn't mispronounced that it was punk in Europe like right now I'm gonna go into the next big one and then you guys of course if you have any comments heavy metal, so 1990s thrash metal achieve breakouts success mainly due to the massive, massive success of metallic his fifth album, The Black Album in 91 so this is kind of weird because in the 90s thrash metal gained popularity

1:45:40  
partly due to Metallica his black album, which was not thrash which is weird because this is the first album where Metallica started to change

1:45:49  
sound wise and then later on in Frank's favorite era, which they do you have good stuff I agree with you. They cut their hair and that was a whole different other controversy they make up Yeah.

1:46:02  
The dude freaking out Yeah, people were like with the you know, with the with the black nail polish with the black note. Yeah, so a lot of their fans started freaking out. Yeah. Um, so that was that and then it said a so the Black Album brought thrash metal to the mainstream, which is weird for the first time. Metallica success was followed by mega deaths Countdown to Extinction and 92 so mega death was right after them. And of course, they're one of the big four of thrash metal.

1:46:28  
So mega does Countdown to Extinction actually hit number two on the charts. Also big. thrash bands were anthrax Panthera and Slayer they all crack the top 10 and albums by regional bands such as testament and several Duda also entered the top 100 so anthrax Pantera and Slayer they're considered thrash too. They answered the top 10 so it was like a different

1:46:53  
phase of thrash metal it wasn't like because mantero technically is thrash but it was also groove metal I suppose where I just can't picture pentair being a thrash band pentair is definitely thrash like you hear I mean yeah but i just i don't i don't hear that so much I hear more of a I mean, I guess yeah cuz thrash is influenced by punk Yeah, yeah, yeah, you could, but I hear more i don't know i hear more punk than I do thrash and whatnot and and Panthera is music. I think in certain this is just me I think it's I think it's the attitude that they have probably, you know, are fucking hostile. Yeah.

1:47:30  
That was a good one. Um, so Okay, so that's where heavy metal that's where heavy metal was at in the in the 90s and early 90s next one I'm going to go on to is industrial metal No, in the later half of the decade and this is still under alternative which is weird. Yeah. And the later half of the decade industrial metal became popular the main the top mainstream American industrial bands of the 90s included Nine Inch Nails, Marilyn Manson white zombie kmfdm ministry and Fear Factory so now I'm gonna go into we can just talk about death metal real quick death metal of popular bands at the time for death metal or death decide Morbid Angel Cannibal Corpse and arbitrary which we've seen Morbid Angel life crazy birthday. Yeah, um, black metal had a second wave of popularity. It came from Norway. It was from bands mayhem burzum and death thrown if you want to listen to him, right? They're gonna be on Spotify playlists.

1:48:25  
Yeah, now and mayhem and burzum are really really really Oh yeah, they're there. Yeah, yeah. Don't worry as t shirts on public. Yeah.

1:48:34  
hang over last episode. Yeah.

1:48:37  
This next category is actually not an alternative. This is hard rock now Okay, so these are the guys that kind of missed the boat. So this is the an under hard rock. This is the third wave of glam metal. I don't know what the first and second waves of glam metal were. I'm assuming the second waves or like Motley Crue. And you know what, I don't know what the first wave would have been. There had to have been a fourth wave to write because there's a band I'm thinking about that. I don't know will qualify for what you're about to mention. Okay. Well, I'm gonna mention a time so third wave were the losers. What? Because they came in late. Yeah, that's the only reason why I call them losers. firehouse warrants with cherry pie. Extreme. Oh, and Skid Row. So basically, the route came in late. I think they had popularity late. It says here that they had popularity, like late in 90s. I don't know if that's correct. Yeah. And I know in the early 90s Okay, the early in the early 90s because it said that glam metal pretty much died out 92 Okay, and these guys were like, like these who these bands especially weren't, they hit like right at that point, and then boom, hair metal died. And don't forget about Sebastian Bach's really pivotal role in the Gilmore Girls. No, I'm good.

1:49:54  
So, so hard rock. So we're gonna go through these real quick and then you guys can jump in at any time. So the

1:50:00  
First half hard rock popular hard rock bands were Guns and Roses, Van Halen Def Leppard Ozzy Osborne was still going on. He was putting on his Prince of Darkness thing. And this is weird Tom Petty, they had him as hard rock. I disagree with that.

1:50:15  
Only that belongs there.

1:50:17  
Then these were the Hard Rock acts that were popular throughout the 90s. So these guys were evolving as the, as the years went on through the decade, that was Aerosmith, Bon Jovi, and Metallica. And of course, we were talking about Metallica, they started off doing ballads and the Black Album, and then they went into hard rock with load and reload in 96. And 98, I believe.

1:50:41  
Yeah. And then in 99, they did the album with the San Francisco Symphony, so they were trying all kinds of shit. And fans were like, What the fuck is going on? But yeah, where's your hair? So here we go, guys. So new metal. This is where Yeah, this is where the big one comes in, and then can jump in anytime. And this is what this bridge right? Yeah, it does, but it actually started earlier than we thought, like a lot earlier than we thought. New metal is a sub genre of metal that combines elements of heavy metal music with elements of other music genres such as hip hop, alternative rock, funk, industrial and grunge. So new metal was metal mixed with anything else basically, it depends what what band you were you were listening to. This is where shots get fired. New metal rarely features, guitar solos or other displays of technical competence key rarely displays technical competence. The genre is heavily syncopated and based on guitar riffs. Many new metal guitarists use seven string guitars that we're doing down tuned to feature heavier sound DJs are or are occasionally featured a new metal to provide instrumentation, such as sampling turntable scratching and electronic and electronic backgrounds of vocal styles and new metal included scene wrapping and groundling. New metal became popular in the late 90s, with bands such as corn, Len biscuit and Kid Rock are releasing albums and sold millions of copies.

1:52:11  
The weird thing to me was that when you look at music history, and they're talking about new metal, corn is the band that they say start a new metal right. And sometimes I forget what years albums came out and how long band had been around. And the first album that Korn released was in 94. Yeah, yes. Yeah. So yes, yeah, yeah. So there were saying technically the first new metal album and it's true, like when you listen to that album, there was nothing else at that time that sounded like

1:52:46  
we were just talking about like it gained most of its popularity at the tail end of the 90s going into like oh three, well, they kind of they kind of were picking up momentum to because oh, metal, new metal. Yeah, so I'll get to that. Because corn also gained like more mainstream popularity with follow the leader in issues, which were the late 90s. Um, so what's the name of the first album was it it was self titled? Yeah. self titled. Yeah. So corn is notable for pioneering the new metal genre and bringing it into the mainstream, which later in the 90s

1:53:20  
they're out their self titled album inspired and influenced Cole chamber limp biskit, which was popular in late 90s. Going into the 2000s, Slipknot, Machine Head and several Duda. Their self titled album is considered by many to have started the new mouth genre, which it did and it's crazy to see that technically Yeah, did start in 94. They started it and then it just sat there and then exploded in the late 90s and early 2000s. Um, does anybody remember the new metal fashion? Yeah, yes. gencos kinkos Yes, baggy. clothes like pants that are super wide lis super wide leg long Dickey like

1:53:59  
short they would cover your shoes.

1:54:03  
What else? Great rates. Yes.

1:54:06  
It was basically like cholo fashion mixed with like rock fashion. Yeah, yeah. Well, and that was of course, again started by corn because feel the dress like that. Yeah. And everybody like the low right john Davis have a dress john Davis had to dread so you could see to like thinking back on the fashion to where it all kind of rooted from corn like all these guys drew from that. Aside from the spikes like the spikes came in later like the color changes. There's even like a particular Adidas shoe. Yeah, the same thing. tracksuits

1:54:40  
Jonathan Davis this all those Forza 2000s with like the jump the tracks is that the girls were the Juicy Couture.

1:54:48  
And that came from and that came from hip hop and stuff like that. So that was influenced that too. Then you also had jerseys, sports jerseys, and that was because a limp biscuit itself is right back here.

1:55:03  
So I thought that was that was really interesting and then also to, I'm going to go back and we're going to backtrack a little bit from where all that routed from. And Britt can talk a little bit about this, but in the 1980s, Rick Rubin helped create rap rock

1:55:18  
in the 80s with Hip Hop groups, such as Beastie Boys and Run DMC so we all know Run DMC like was one of those people see them as

1:55:29  
I guess helping bridge the gap between hip hop and rock when they did walk this way with Aerosmith deal that was Yeah, that was a super big deal. And then the Beastie Boys Of course alone were hip. It was Yeah. And Rick Rubin was involved in that and that all fused in led into you know, the influences. And I think that was the first like, rap metal song right? Ever Ever. Yeah, technically, yeah. Metal in Oh, yeah. That was Run DMC, and Aerosmith. But um, I've had videos great. Yeah. Yeah, the video is great, too. Yeah. Like you have Steven Tyler listening to them on the through the wall. And then literally, like, it's like a figurative thing. But like, it's breaking down the wall. And it's like, bridging the gap between both of them. And it's so weird because yeah, visually, that's what happened in the 90s. And that's what corn did. Yeah, you know, and I'm sure they were influenced somehow by the by that and, and of course, they were influenced by other stuff too. But then they influence I hate to say this bands like limb biscuit and stuff, which were linkin park and Linkin Park. Yeah. And but more specifically, like these guys, because when when Kim was talking about like her pop explosion that was going on in late 90s with like, Britney and the boy bands and stuff too. For others have spoken knows and all that shit too. Yeah, and like, it's weird because porn started it but Fred Durst was like the poster boy of it wasn't even limp. biskit like limp biskit was popular, but Fred Durst was like the face of like new metal, which is weird. And, and he was like, like, I sent you guys the picture of him at like, one of the MTV awards.

1:57:02  
Like, when else with that fucking happening that line of the m&m song. Oh, yeah. When he was sitting next to a fucking car with

1:57:10  
an alien friend, Fred Durst. Yeah. So like, it's so weird because like,

1:57:15  
like, new metal was kind of supposed to be like a counter to that pop stuff that was going on. But then Fred Durst was kind of like the bridge between both of them. Yeah, it was so fucking weird. Um, so yesterday, I discovered a movie. Starring Eminem. Oh, yeah, eight my Oh, no.

1:57:33  
Better. What other movie did was he in? You remember the name game called hip hop? Which or something? Duh, hip hop. Which

1:57:42  
da hip hop away hip hop with? Yeah, it wasn't the crow three. It's supposed to be like a like a lost footage type documentary. The Blair. Blair was Yeah, with hip hop. Yeah, like a hip hop? Is it like series? Or is it like a parody? We couldn't tell from the preview or did you? Oh, so you just saw the preview? Or did you see or watch the movie? No, I was scrolling through movies last night with my friend Lydia. We were looking at movies about witches, right? And we're like, halloweeny. And so like, we saw this, like, she just typed in the witches. We wanted to see the preview for the remake of the witches. Yeah. And then we were scrolling in there. There. It was. I was like,

1:58:23  
martial.

1:58:24  
Da. Yeah, hip hop.

1:58:27  
But the funny thing was that the tagline? the tagline was, you could take the width out of the woods, but you can't take the width out of the hood. Do

1:58:37  
that sounds like sounds like a scary movie type thing to me. Do you know what yours was? I'm gonna look it up anyways.

1:58:47  
It looked like it looked like it looked like the person had I don't know, like 2000 bucks to like, expand and he made a movie. 2007 it was in that budget. Yeah, it's like that low budget.

1:59:00  
2000 Okay, wow, that's, that's pretty interesting. I don't know if you guys know this, but. So. My God.

1:59:10  
Yeah, he looks serious. So I don't know if you guys know, like, scared. She's after him. Because this is a witch that kills hip hop artists only. Oh, wow. Interesting. Okay.

1:59:20  
Anyways, so it's kind of weird because so one of the bands that they mentioned here as being like popular in the late 90s. As far as new metal go, was limp biscuit in Kid Rock. But I don't know if you guys know this. But m&m was actually on Kid Rock spurs album. They're both from Detroit. Yeah, it was kind of weird, because m&m was coming up at the time, too. And he's actually on that album, and which I believe was 98. Maybe it's like 90 or 99.

1:59:45  
So I was gonna interesting too, and I think Kid Rock started off as a rapper. Yeah, he just start off and then you know, he went into the whole rock thing. And now he's doing country. Yeah, no, I don't know how that happened. And that's

1:59:57  
Sheryl Crow. And yeah, oh, yeah.

2:00:01  
Which is like very country. Yeah. And you know, it's funny because I was when I was listening to back episodes, and we were having a discussion about him sampling that song. And Frank said the name of the song but we actually all got it wrong. What was that? So you said that he sampled sweet home, Alabama and actually isn't Sweet Home Alabama. It sounds like it's actually World War.

2:00:27  
Yeah. And when I was listening to it, I was like, we totally got that wrong like that. It was.

2:00:34  
Yeah, but then you hear you're right. The pianos in there. Yeah. And I was like, Fuck, we totally fucked that. But I know 1520 episodes later, finally corrected it. Anyways, so mine was a really long hair. Yeah, I know. So so mine ends on numero and of course, when we go into the 2000s it's gonna get more weird.

2:00:55  
But it's kind of weird to and it's kind of sad when I think about it. Because to me, that whole new metal and and boyband movement. That was really like the last. Like,

2:01:07  
it was weird. It was the last like fun musical phenomenons that that happened. That really like took

2:01:15  
like the forefront of the decade like because to me nothing big really. Here's the thing that I think I think we all kind of think that but we think that because that was our like, that was our like growing up. Like the kids nowadays. They're probably Oh man. Like, they're like,

2:01:35  
what's like whatever. Yeah, or something? Well, yeah. BTS is like the shit or what? They're gonna think like, Oh my god, that was like the magical of like, our music and whatever, even though they're bringing back our fashion and shit. Well, I was gonna say, well, you

2:01:49  
already collaborated with corn already. I mean, I'm like Skrillex the guy Skrillex genre called dubstep? dubstep. So they're gonna be like, whoops, too, bro.

2:02:00  
Oh,

2:02:01  
you're right. Because every generation is gonna have that moment where like, like, if like our moms that you're like, no, like this music was that or like, yeah, my grandma would be like, no, like, sling music was like the shit like, yeah.

2:02:15  
And I don't want to jump ahead too much. But you're right, because there is something that took over after new metal when it came to rock and metal wise, and that was hardcore and metal core. Yes. And I fucking hate hardcore. No, so I don't think about exactly, yeah, so it's still around, which is weird. But that pig squeals Yes. Kind of. Yeah. So yeah, it's kind of weird because yeah, so so that's what took over after new metal and that continued into the band's dance thing. Yes, that we'll get into that. I'll post it.

2:02:47  
Yeah, it'll be

2:02:50  
it's it is but but but it's like you were saying there's nothing really prominent. Exactly. There's nothing it's not there's nothing that's that's insane. And I broke the billboard like, I also think that comes with like, the market or like, the everything is so saturated, like with social media with, too with. It's like everybody is trying to make music or everyone else try and be underground. It's like, yeah.

2:03:14  
It's at your fingertips. It's in your face. It's like, I think the last thing that was underground that technically isn't anymore with SoundCloud. SoundCloud, like maybe 10 years ago, was technically underground. Like if you were on SoundCloud, it was like, Oh, shit, there's something going on here on SoundCloud, specifically with hip hop artists, but rock artists, you still had some that were there lurking around. But now it's not anymore. Like you're right. There really is no underground like there. If something's going on, it's just there. Yeah. And it's out and it's on tik tok or something like yeah, they can find it by just typing into Google. I was trying to explain that to a friend in my my program, who is like a super punk rocker like old school punk rock, like proper. And in he said something like, Oh, I can't I can't like Joy Division because they're just too popular. And I was like, okay, they are now but you need to understand that they weren't. Yeah, right. They were not accessible. They were not popular. It was really difficult to find that kind of music like alternative music in the 80s was not at your fingertips. The thing like everything is so accessible like Spotify. Like I could just an app right there on my phone that I have with me. 24 seven, almost. And I could just any song any album any I don't have to pay for it. I don't have to wait for it to download for three hours. Like I know and you buy it. It's Yeah, you don't have to go wait in line at a record store for it to be released. It's just the saturation. Yeah, continuous. Right. And I feel like that's like back in the day. If any, were an alternative kid. You had to work for that. Like you were you were talking to the guy at the record store. You were buying magazines. Or like, I remember well, we're not even just like spin but yes, but like ziens put out but yeah, my kids in your neighborhood. And you know, and we weren't researching on the internet because it didn't exist yet.

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So you were lucky I mean, the only shit that you could listen to us on the radio and they were not playing that stuff No. concert tickets I remember my mom going standing in line day by

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night in front of a mall multiple and now all the bots are just like snatching up all

2:05:18  
I know. And I remember to going to sunset station and seeing like, the promotions for like the concerts that were ahead and I remember waiting in line at sunset station to get fun. And I remember like 10 years ago maybe like when I first started using will call like, I don't know what the fuck it was. I was like, Yeah, because we'll call and it was like a new thing to me. I was like, What the fuck is this? Like I'm used to going in line. It's just so funny that we're talking about this because I saw that like a meme or whatever. Today it was like daughter said, Alexa play let it go. And then me it was like when I was your age, I had to call the radio station. Yeah, wait on hold for 30 minutes for questions that sit by my boombox for an hour with a blank cassette tape for the

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recorded part of the commercial.

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Talking.

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I actually asked for mixed tapes for myself, like that. I recorded songs. And I had like four and I named them like Volume One volume. Yeah, for sure. Like what the fuck? Well, yeah, like y'all won't remember this. And I don't think a lot of people even from you know my age. Remember this because it wasn't super common. But they were in convenience stores. They were machines that you could buy concert tickets from, like an ATM machine, but you would buy your tickets from it. My friend and I for Lollapalooza 91, we are in my grandma's apartment right down the street from a 711. We literally ironed our cache. So it would feed into the machine super quick. Because the faster you did everything, the better your tickets, and you didn't have a choice you didn't get to where you were on that map, you just got best available. So we sat literally sat there and ironed our money. And then we went to the to the 711 at like 4am and waste. And we were not the first in line. There was a long line already at 4am. And tickets went on sale at like 10. Were those comments? Because I don't I don't know about that. I didn't know about that. That was I mean, they existed for a while. I remember buying tickets on those from that thing, probably about four or five times and then it disappeared. And also it was probably one of those things that was and also to people I remember. I remember showing up to the venue where the show was happening to buy the tickets to avoid Yeah, no, yes. Right. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about sunset like I would buy my tickets for sunset shows at sunset. Yeah. And I think I did it a few times to four shows at Freeman, I would actually buy them at the Alamodome cuz I did Alamo don't sell them. But yeah, no, I mean, I think with all that said, I kind of want to end it with what was your favorite thing about the 90s music? And then what was some of your favorite favorite artists? Cuz I know, right off the bat Third Eye Blind was one that I mentioned real quick. I think I mentioned on mine. I mentioned most of them anyway. Like, what was your favorite? Like, I guess genre of the 90s or maybe a couple of favorite bands from the 90s before we call it quits, 90s.

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Um, I mean,

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I,

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I I personally do like a lot of the new metal stuff. Okay. Nice. I'm a fan of it. But I like it. I appreciate it. For what it is. But they're nice, guys. Yeah, they're really nice guys. But definitely for sure. Like the more prominent ban of the 90s for me, is corn. Okay, well, that makes sense. Because they did start 94 and they went throughout. Yeah, he's Yeah, no, that's a good one. Yeah. I I don't know. This was a hard one for me, because I that was like, high school and college. Yeah, yes. Like, so. It's like the whole Yeah, that was like everything. Yeah, but I love The Smashing Pumpkins. I love Jane's Addiction. I love Sonic Youth. I love the Pixies. But I was really really a big fan of Pearl Jam for a very long time. I've seen him many times.

2:09:01  
I really also really loved live for the first like five albums. And then I gave up

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and then yeah, I don't know. So a lot of stuff. And of course, I love the Beastie Boys like, to my core. It's hard to choose it is it's like even even us being like young like it's just hard and it didn't have a lot because I was dipping into like everything like I mentioned the r&b the hip. So many good shows just like so much like I even though what I mentioned, like I felt like man, I'm missing this and I missed, but I would have just would have just been here forever. Yeah, and it was relative to vo they were so awesome. I'm sorry go back and watch some videos those dudes. Yeah.

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I mean, like even like I was even disappointed cuz like Janet like she started in the 80s. But like she had like big popular albums in the 90s. Yeah. Michael Jackson like the song that they did together. Like I was just like, it was like when I was doing stuff. I was thinking faster than I could like, write and do and then it was just too much and I felt overwhelmed.

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But in a good way, and it was just, that's how I felt.

2:10:03  
I was like, holy shit. Um, yeah, yeah, we'll have got your work cut out for you this time. And for me, it was a lot of well aside from Metallica and like that metal stuff going on the hat continue from the 80s. For me, the key, I think, parts of the 90s were the, the late 90s, which were the introduction to new metal, but for me, it was more like the Rob Zombie side, and stuff like that, because I was like, to me, that's what I was listening to. But at the same time, I was I was listening like right before that I was listening to a lot of the alternative bands like matchbox 23rd Eye Blind, like, all those alternatives. Yeah, vertical horizon like all those bands. So like, it was weird because like in the middle, I was listening to those mid 90s alternative bands going into like, Rob Zombie and all those guys right into right before corn like right before they went into the new middle of scene. Yeah, they're right when system of down comes out. To me approach this move down Linkin Park. That's when kind of things kind of blew open for me, like, as an individual or I was like, Okay, this is where my shit is. Because that's when I was beginning to be a teenager. Sure, yeah, it wasn't stuff that somebody else was listening to. But yeah, 90s wise, it was alternative rock and then alternative metal pretty much. But uh, that was mine. I mean, the only thing I wanted to add, and it's a little bit of a hangover, I guess I wanted to let you guys know that from old rock. From the 80s. We had, I had mentioned a category called noise rock. And you were like, what's that? Yeah, I mentioned a bad band called Big Black. And you're like, I don't know who that is. Listen to them. Okay, they're fucking good. Okay, um, I don't know how to describe it. But when you listen to them, you're like, Okay, it's noise rock, like, guitar sound merry.

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Bumi like, it's so weird, but they're fucking good. And I think you and Frank would like them. But they're called Big Black. Um, I guess if no one else has anything to say.

2:12:01  
Next episode is gonna be the 2002 that was gonna be interesting.

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So of course, it'll be another one was Yeah, like way too much. Yeah, well, it's kind of weird because I feel like a lot of the stuff that we're talking about now that led into the 2000s it kind of died off by like, 2005 2006 then crap started coming out that we don't really need we didn't really latch on to. Which I can't really yeah. Oh, Southern. frickin rap. Oh, well, that to that was mid 2000s. Right. Yeah, that was like the Houston area stuff. Like coming in here and stuff. No, no, it is weird because that's when we were in high school and I kind of clicked with that little bit. A little bit.

2:12:39  
You know, you put on 2000 hip hop for me and went over one episode. Pandora 2000s hip hop. It's over one episode on the right home from chaos place we were listening is that 2000s? mid 2000s if you need to keep me awake on a drive like we're going out of town to 1000s hip hop on Pandora for this guy.

2:13:00  
Yeah, that was the 90s right. Yeah, there was 90s right. Or was that or that was late 90s.

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Right. Yeah, but you know,

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some of the Southern hip hop stuff was was good I'm talking about Oh, yeah, don't use subject but but there's Paul Wall. Yeah, there's no you're right. No, you're right.

2:13:24  
All that and I was also I was also a really big fan of the whole chapter group thing. Yeah, that was I mean chameleon and all those guys they you know

2:13:37  
teaser I guess for next week. Guys like I said, visit the website rock happier pod calm all those social media sites are on there. Like I said, the Spotify playlists I worked my ass off on that thing. Actually, last episode. Last episode took me five hours, five hours to put together to get online.

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Like I said, I don't think I mentioned it enough. Listen to Spotify playlists, you guys can discover so much stuff on there. I do all the time.

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And it's interesting to see like, especially with these decade ones it's interesting to listen to the music evolve. Um, but yeah, like I said, whatever. No, you guys want to hook up on on the on the website. There's Instagram, Twitter, fucking Facebook, all that share

2:14:24  
my space and put me in the top a Yeah.

2:14:30  
Yeah. So I guess with all that said, we'll see you guys next week, right? Yes. All right. Yeah. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Bye. Good night.

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