Ep. 44 - The 1980's

This episode, we discuss the music of the 1980's! We talk about the popular and emerging rock/metal genres on the 1980's, as well as the popular bands/artists of the 80's per genre.
And... Happy Birthday, Frank! Cheers!

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Spotify playlist for Episode 44: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4jwvztV0oCjEI6f7MHAmpX?si=8aeff2c7c16c452f

0:19
Hello, everyone, welcome to rock talk happy hour. My name is Mario here with Kimberly Britt and Frank why you laughing? I don't know. The podcast well craft music so every episode we try different craft beers, we write them, we discuss them and sometimes we learn a little bit about them all while talking music related topics. Frank was today's music related topics

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through music related topic is the 1980s. Yes. Finally,

0:42
yeah, it's been 10 years. Yeah, cuz we Yeah, we so we did 1970s last episode for those of you don't know. And we're going through until we get to 2010s. And then once we do that, we're going to do a couple episodes, and then we'll hit Episode 50. Um, but I guess the first thing to say to start off the episode is Happy birthday, Frank. It's Frank's birthday episode. My birthday. So Happy birthday, man.

1:09
Thank you. Thank you. Hope this is a fun episode for you. And I hope we have fun stuff to drink. Well, yeah, yeah, I'm looking forward to it. And also, you know, the 80s is one of my favorite areas suite of music. So yeah, it all just aligns. Okay.

1:26
All right, guys. So to start the episode off, we usually have, say like three little segments. One, yeah. Now it's three. Yeah. One is, what are we drinking, where we just talk about what we're drinking. To kick off the episode, we just go around real quick before we get into the beers later on. second segment is hangover, our hangover segment, which is when we talk about things from last topic that we didn't get to bring up between last episode and now. And then our third little topic is bruisin news or whatever you want to call it. News in case you guys have any beer or music news. So first off, I guess, what are we drinking? Right? What are you drinking? What are we drinking?

2:04
What are we with? Awesome. Oh, yeah. So since it's my birthday tonight, I want everybody to share a drink with me. Yes. It is a non alcoholic wine from surely wine. sparkling rosae and think last episode, we had their their white wine was good. Really, really good. Yeah. Like, you know, impressively good, impressively good. Yeah, it tastes like the real thing. And the same with this one. Surely wines, the rosae. I had some last night just to, you know, pre party. And it was really good. I really liked it. Again, it tastes just like the real thing. So yeah, we should we should. Okay. Cheers. Cheers. Yeah. And like to birthday boy fashioned drinking straight from the bottle. Yeah. I missed your like ringer. Thank you. Oh, that's really good. Thanks. Good. That's very close. I've never had like rosy rosy so. Oh, really? Yeah, I've had it once or twice, but it's good. Pretty good. Yeah, it's good. And my whole thing with wines when I when I used to drink wines, is I was really picky about them. Because I like I like the sweet stuff. And this one's got a nice little sweet flavor to it. It's a little it's a little sour, but also but also sweet. Yeah.

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What do you rate it?

3:29
I give it a five. Okay, cool. It's really good. All right, I'll leave that rating just for you. Okay, um, who wants to go next?

3:39
Oh, no. Something else. You are

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going over here. I am to drinking bourbon.

3:45
I am drinking karbach breweries love street light, which I haven't researched. But I just recently saw it showing up in the stores. It was just love street for a long time. And now they have a light one. Which is cool. It's 96 calories and three carbs. And it's down to 4.2% alcohol from I think 4.9 is what regular love Street has. So it's definitely lighter and flavor. It's not you know, it's no longer it's quite love st anymore, but it's it's definitely a heck of a lot better than most light beer. So that's pretty All right. It's only like St. Louis. Yeah. Like st not love st anymore.

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What do you rate it Brit? Give it a four, four. Okay. I guess you want to taste this on me. So this actually tastes pretty good. This is from untitled art. We've had a few of their beers before. They usually do a lot of collaborations with other breweries. They're from my favorite place. waunakee Wisconsin. This is a this is a Pilsner and it's called crispy Pilsner. Um, I like pilsners this is it says crispy and like it tastes crispy like it tastes bubbly. Um, I give it a five omelette. Kim tasted and let's see what she thinks about it. So I like it's pretty good. It doesn't have a weird bitterness to it. Oh, maybe we'll maybe Kim tastes otherwise I'd say like four, four. That's not bad. I'm gonna try to give it does have like some hoppy, some bitter happiness. Yeah, but, I mean, that's what Pilsner is gonna have a lot of happiness to it, but it tastes pretty good. The bitterness is not like overpowering to me. Yeah. No, it dissipates quickly. Yeah. And, and when it was cold, it was like really bubbly. So but uh, okay, so that's what we're drinking on. I know. What? Oh, hangover. Does anyone have any hangover from last episode? Of course. 97. Anything we talked about last episode? I just feel like disco is king. It was king. Night this episode. Yeah. No, we got a new we got a queen this episode in that queen is glam metal. So we'll talk about that later. But uh, one thing I do want to bring up was you Frank, you had brought up some something about her we were talking about? We're talking about punk. He said something about like, oh, something about pop punk like that. There was a debate on where pop punk started. So when I was doing some research, I found out that there's two different kinds of pop punk. So the punk that we were talking about that came out in the 70s, which are the Ramones and Blondie and stuff like that. Yeah, so some of those guys were labeled pop punk. But it's because it because it was popular punk at the time. That's That's why it was called pop punk. Now, when you go forward to the early 2000s, or mid 2000s, I should say, or even 90s. Yeah, late 90s. That pop punk was actually different. That was punk trying to fuse pop into it. Yeah, it was supposed to be a fusion of two different genres. So that was actually two different terminologies. So there is the pop punk of the 2000s, I will say, which was a fusion of pop and punk. That's what they were trying to do. And then the popular punk that you did was, there was that term used before the 2000s was to label a popular punk and then I'm actually going to go more into that later when we get into the into the episode because that actually comes up again later. Um, nother thing I wanted to bring up Frank's favorite song Frank, what was your favorite Disco Song again from the 70s very difficult from the 17 I have it here. So if you have a different answer be you up. I have a lot of disco songs that are well this one you said was your favorite favorite?

7:39
Is it disco duck? No. Disco duck was number two from what I remember to the kiss one. No, it was a kiss on either. good ones. No, it's the weather girls. Yes. Oh, yeah. It's raining men. So

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I thought that that was a 70 song as well. And it actually didn't come out. Until 82. Yeah, but but disco was still going on. So. So technically, you're right. Was this go, but it was not 17. But hey, man, it's cool. Look, I kept it on the playlist. Okay. Yeah, I just wanted to put it out there in case someone's like, hey, that's, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The weather girls is gonna be like, you're not a real disco fan, which technically, it was still disco into that into the 80s. It started to dissipate early on, but and then I don't have any news, but I do have one more. Frankie has new. Cool. Awesome. You have I have one more hangover thing. So it has to do with Metallica.

8:49
Of course, two things happened. Oh, boy. So it's gonna be a five hour?

8:54
No, no, no, no, no, no, this is just real quick. This is real quick. And I promise it'll never happen again. And I'll tell you why. So we go to the mall. Right. Frank saw this picture. I don't know where it's on this picture. I don't know if I posted it in the group chat. But we went to the mall and we went we stopped at this store. That was I don't want to say the name of the store. But it was like a forever 21 ish kind of store. Okay, like, you know, those stores? It's like, Poppy, girly clothes. Like American Eagle. Yeah, like, I want to say like girls in their early 20s probably shop there. Right? I don't know, but I'm gonna say that's like the demographic maybe High School. Yeah, so we're there. And of course, at these stores, you'll see like Rolling Stone shirts. We've talked about this before. Nirvana shirts, whatever known sir. Yeah. So Kim's looking around and something caught my eye and I was like, What? Like, it hits me on for a good amount of time. Yeah, I was like, What the fuck is this? And it was basically a Metallica shirt, but the design was changed. I don't know if you saw it. I shared it with Frank I can show you in a bit. So basically, it's the master puppets. logo. You know what it looks like? It's your hands with process, right? And for those who listen to metal and have listened to that album know what the feel is for the album what it represents, you know? It's it's real, it's it's dark, like the themes are dark, right? So what they did was they tweaked the, the design and on the front where the where the crosses are. They put flowers, like colorful, bright flowers and the texture is it's like how it's put into the shirt. It's like, yeah, like it kind of looks like it's embroidered. So it looks like it's, it was added after the fact. So I'm looking at it actually, I can pull the picture up real quick so that I can show bro what I'm talking about. And I saw it and it pissed me off. And I and I looked and it's one thing to have the shirt there, right? But that's another thing to have it like for those who know, you know, if you listen to that, you know what it represents? And then they changed it and it just looks like why like you know somebody who's wearing that does not listen to Metallica that they're gonna be wearing it just because it's a Metallica shirt and it has pretty flowers on it. But you don't know. Like, you don't know, like sanitarium or, or you know, anything else that was off of that album. And that kind of ticked me off. And I was like, okay, whatever. I was mad for about an hour and I was like I Whatever. I'm okay. It was not an hour after day after day, right? So whatever. I'm like, fine. Then I forgot that. Of course I follow Metallica on social media. We talked about the whole Miley Cyrus thing which spawned a whole episode, right? Yeah. So they they're promoting the that that album that's coming out for for the anniversary of the blackout with all the cover songs on it. And they're promoting that they're playing that they're doing a performance on the Howard Stern Show with Miley Cyrus. What? Yes. And right then in there, I said, You know what, I'm done. I'm follow. No, no, no, no, this I unfollowed them. So now I can't see anything. And I used to get text messages on my phone from Metallica, like about stuff that they had going on. I opted out. I unfollowed him on my personal Instagram. Did you burn your shirts? No, I didn't burn my shirts, but I haven't worn them in. Like this weekend. It was clean. It was from it was from the kilomole era. Okay, so, but, uh, I mean, I was just like, what the hell like what the hell? And then I told her that I read an article that James Hetfield apparently, I'm not the only one. Like, there was a bunch of people that were like giving them shit about some of the artists that they chose to cover their songs. And they were like, Oh, you know, to all the people, you know, just, you know, having issues with this, we just want to let you guys know that we're still Metallica, you know, no matter who covers our songs, but that's not the point. The point is you're associating yourself with, like, I had the whole discussion you want to go listen to that episode was Episode 30. I mean, that 3041 or something, then go listen to it. I get into detail there, but it's like the social thing about it. And it's about the music to like, what it stands for and stuff like that. And it just doesn't feel like it stands for that anymore. Today, you know what I mean? Like to them? And they're just trying to market it to like a weird.

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Yeah, because well, this also brings up another thing that you mentioned that same day, what about Travis Barker and Courtney Carter? She was wearing one of his metal shirts. And it was a like a death metal man. Yeah. Oh, Cannibal Corpse. It was like a Cannibal Corpse shirt. It was like, would you wear a shirt that you didn't know what it was? And I'm like, not really like No, I wouldn't do that. And people are like, Well, you know, exposures, exposure no matter how you get it however, you're gonna you're gonna have these people that are shopping in like the forever 20 ones and all that

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they're buying these metallic because they saw her wearing that too it's really gonna kind of like saturate that. I don't know if that's the right way.

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Yeah, yeah, it's gonna overset out that genre or that that style that style style. Yeah, it's

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gonna be cool because a big influencer was spotted. Yeah. Wearing you know, yeah, so that came up because one of the seymore shirts in from different bands. Yeah,

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cuz because one of the one of the band members from one of these bands, he came on set. Oh, they're posers like why is she wearing one of our shirts? And the defense was like, Oh, she was wearing one of his shirts and he has a big t shirt collection of bands. But also to like, I don't know what he listens to. I'm like, does he just buy random like band shirts and then like, she was like, Oh, I just like to read his closet and stuff in word but you know people look at you. Like so. You know? You didn't pick it just the you know where you you know, you picked it for Cuz her sisters have worn Yeah, shirts from bands before too and they've gotten shit for it too. So, but I mean, yeah, my question I guess to Britt, like if Frank had a like a black metal band t shirt, right? And they were like, satanic or whatever, but you never listened to them before. And you didn't know what they were about. Would you wear the shirt? If it was Frank's, but you didn't know the band? In the house? Yeah. In the house, probably. But I'll talk about how would you wear it out if you did not know the band? Only if I was like, really lazy or something. Like a sweatshirt over? Y'all are going out somewhere. Y'all are gonna go like going out for the night like getting out. Okay. Okay. And Kim said the same thing if I was just chilling at home, you know? Okay, no. That was besides the point. So actually, you have a few my shirts. They do fit. Yeah, yes, they do. Anyways, sometimes Frankie borrows my pants.

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That's a different topic. Because they just fit

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that that fits in in the 80s. Yes. We'll get into it, I guess. Yeah. That's that was a lot of this era. Yes. So um, I guess without if Oh, you got news, right, Frank? Yeah, Metallica piece over here by Metallica get on this podcast.

16:29
Today also to 30 years ago, Nirvana's Smells Like Teen Spirit came out. And yeah. And yeah, I mean, that's, that's no, but still, I remember being 12 years old and watching on MTV, and I'm thinking shit, that was 30 years ago. It came out. See, it's weird, because I don't even remember. Oh, no, just oh, we're younger. Yeah. But when it came out, but overall, oh, yeah. You were younger? Yeah. Cuz I was like, wait, I was 14 when they came out. Yeah, something like, seven, five, sometimes five. Yeah, but but so just thinking about being 12 years old and watching a Nirvana video on MTV. And it was that song. Smells Like Teen Spirit. And now I mean, you think okay, 30 years they, they qualify as a classic rock band. Oh, definitely. They qualified as Classic Rock Band. Yes. Strange. But uh, but but also to I was I was thinking about that. Something. Okay. It's been 30 years since that single came out. And then I started thinking about Dave Grohl. And then I thought I started going off on like, this little bunny trail thing. Yeah. Then I thought Dave grows in everything, right? Yeah. Is he invited? Or does he impose himself?

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Like, you mean like in bands? Yeah. I think he's invited. Like, just to do projects? No, hell no. I think people invite him, dude, he's like, first off, like, you could tell he appreciates a lot of the rock genres. Like he came from that grunge grunge band. Right. But like, you know, he has a lot of like, he has respect for classic rock. He has respect for metal, like just for the people he associates with. Like, I mean, come on. He even did an album with john paul Jones, right, you know, in a band with john paul Jones, which is which is pretty crazy. But no, I

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think I think people invite him. I mean, not only that, but like he's a talented guitarist, drummer and vocalist. So like, if you need them to do something, he can do it. I just remember watching I think it was 10 years ago. Soundgarden was playing a show at the forum in LA. And Dave grow was there at the show. But he was like, in the pit with like with the crowd, you know, and this is like Dave Grohl, he could easily get like a, you know, like, some type of VIP seat, you know, or something. But now he was like, right there in the crowd. So it made me think okay, so he probably like stood in line to buy his ticket. And then he stood in line to get into probably I think he likes to do regular do things just sometimes. Yeah. But you know, like, I mean, I don't know how many how many musicians are going to are going to do what he did just like standing in a crowd. I mean, they're gonna have their like private little boxes and stuff. You

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know, he's a look so far. Dave Grohl is taking the Metallica spot my life.

19:27
Don't make me sing that song. That's the song. I don't want to sing cuz I know. I look up to that guy. He's cool. He seems like a cool dude. I'd like to remember them.

19:35
I remember hearing about something they did pretty early on in the pandemic whenever everybody was in lockdown and stuff where the Foo Fighters did like the Foo Fighters tacos. Yes, that's right. Yeah. tacos.

19:48
Yeah, so in LA I forget which restaurant but they have a Foo Fighters taco. Okay. Uh huh. And I think that restaurant also has other rock band tacos but the Foo Fighters We're the first ones to do it. Okay. And I just remember, they had this thing where I think if you ordered that specific one, I don't think the band made any money off of it. It's just like, I think you ordered you ordered that that specific thing from them and then the band would with double. No, like the band would double the price. Like they would match. Oh, yeah. Like they would match it. And then when they whatever they match, they would give to like, the the restaurant industry at the time, because, you know, everybody was trying to make trying to make things happen. So, so that was a cool thing. to your house. Yeah. serenade you.

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Yeah. While you ate it. What? Did the taco have a name? Or was it just called fubo? Just just to do that. We could have come up with a clever name for that going through their discovery.

20:52
It's a very unique description and like, it sounded like something very particular. It was like a

20:58
taco. Yeah. or something? Yeah, no.

21:03
Oh, yeah. So the restaurant is called Casa Vega. Okay. And they are in LA. And yeah, the Foo Fighters fundraising taco returns to counsel of Casa Vega. Okay, all right. And, I mean, y'all can talk I'm gonna, I'm gonna try and see like,

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Okay, I'm gonna say is I'm gonna try to think of a clever taco name. Between now and my taco. There, right, that wins that.

21:35
Yeah, so here it is. It's a classic Tex Mex affair with homemade flour, tortillas, smoked brisket, Mexican coleslaw. Pickled red onion, and cilantro. Among the drinks included are an homage to a Christmas story with a read writer and a home alone wink way to keep the change of filthy animal. Okay, that Yeah. But yeah, and I'll proceeds from the collaborative menu are earmarked for the nonprofit not know us without you, which works directly with local Southern California undocumented workers. So yeah, I mean, they weren't making any money off this thing. Like they, you know, they just wanted to do something to help out. So

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yeah, that's pretty cool. Yeah, that's cool. Like I said, He's cool. So far. painted his image. He hasn't been capped. When he was in the Dodge curriculum. That's what that was nothing. Oh, yeah. He saw like a handful of times, too. Yeah, it wasn't like they didn't like overplay the hell out of it. Like I probably Yeah, we probably did see like a handful of times here. And it was to promote their last album, but yeah, that's about it. Does anyone have anything else? No, I mean, no, really? Okay. Before going into the topic. Do you want to y'all guys want to try a beer?

22:54
Okay, you know, I'm actually drinking one right now that I didn't get to mention earlier. Um, it may have been on the podcast before. Syria Brewing Co it's what is this? It's called greenwave. But it's a Belgian style wheat beer. And it's good non alcoholic. As usual for me. It's a brewery. It doesn't look familiar. I don't know. I don't think so. What what do you what do you rate that? This one I rate like a four. Okay, it tastes like a breakfast beer because it's got a nice little orange flavor to it. I like my dessert beers. Yeah. It's very citrusy. It's nice. Yeah, cool. Uh, wait, what do you say write it again? A four, four. Okay.

23:40
Right. Okay, so for this one this is on Kim's request. have had an iPad in the fridge for a while I've been wanting to try it with you guys. This is again from one title art. I don't think Yeah, and they actually did a collaboration on this beer with the 1840 Brewing Company. They are from the Waukee Wisconsin and on title artists from waunakee Wisconsin. This is a dry hop the watermelon lime goes a so hopefully this is something that came in Britt like you and I have tried this one. Yeah, not on the show but you liked it

24:19
well, I'm looking forward to trying watermelon something that sounds nice and didn't get to have any cucumber anything this summer. Right. Or the water or the sun card? No no melon card What the heck can What? Although we did oh that's some beer news that we heard that shocked top is bringing back the pretzel beer.

24:37
That's right. That's right. So I totally forgot about that Britt Um, can you give a little history on that and no I don't have any information other than the fact that it is divine but when when did it first When did you first try it? Probably like four years ago okay. And was it was it eliminated say so it okay. So I guess it was

24:58
interesting thing is that she's Excited about a pretzel beer. But she doesn't like half of eisenerz that's when I was when I saw your text and I was like, okay, She's the reason why. Okay, we'll do a side by side between the pretzel beer and me I'm sure it doesn't like taste ready are anything but I was attended. Like, if it's bread

25:21
yeah cuz I yeah. So what happened was I remember Brit mentioning this beer multiple times on multiple episodes right yeah so I follow all these breweries on Instagram right and then I saw it pop up and I was like, wait a minute, is this the beer? And then they they so I didn't tell you anything that with the first post came out so the first post was if you guys leave 300 comments, we're dead serious we'll bring back the pretzel beer. Well, that will take no time at all because so many people want it. Well, it was weird because like it was like close to the end of the day. And there was like 200 something comments. So I left a comment, right? While I was thinking about doing that. So I left the comment, right. And I was like, we'll see what happens because when I checked back, it was like 270 something, right? So I'm like, Oh, it's like the end of the day. And then two days later I check was when I sent you the screenshot? Yeah, they're like, yeah, it's coming. So they said that it's supposed to start rolling out to a majority of the states in the US in the beginning of October. So the beginning of October, we should probably start seeing it somewhere. Yeah. Some store. Yeah. So um, but yeah, so yeah, the pretzel beer. I mean, we've never had it. It sounds interesting. I'd like to.

26:25
It's nice, because it's like, it is ready. Like it tastes like a soft pretzel. There's the bread, but there's also salt in it. So there's like a, like something cool. Like, I have a vise and to me also has like a citrus side to it. And then like, yeast. Yeah. And the pretzel beer is just soft pretzel. and salt. Yeah,

26:48
yeah. We I know as soon as as soon as it comes out. We'll get it. I'm not sure if we read it this last time. But I'll let you read it now. Okay.

26:56
Okay, by the way, five. And if we go back to the store, there's more I want.

27:02
Oh, yeah, this one? Yeah. This is amazing. No, I say five to. It's very good. It is very good. It's all the flavors are there.

27:10
No other flavors are there. And the dry hop makes it makes it. I don't know that. That the fact that is dry hops. It just gives it a good texture when you drink it. I don't know how to explain it. But no, it's good. I give it a five to I don't know if we had ready to before I'll look at our untapped and whatnot. So now that we have our first beer out of the way, Frank, would you like to kick off the topic?

27:34
Yeah. So tonight's topic is 1980s. Yes, it is one of my favorite areas in music. And we're all we're all. We're all covering some of our favorite genres of the era. If you know for me, I could have gone the obvious route. But I chose to go a different route. Because it's another one of my favorites. I'm going to be talking a little bit about the whole goth rock scene, and how it came to be what it's influenced today. Thank you. And so yeah, you know, well, first of all, when y'all hear goth rock, what What do y'all think? Uh, well,

28:17
it's funny because I was glancing at some of the other genres that I knew I wasn't going to touch on. But after I saw this band's name, that it kind of is a band that I think of when I think of goth. And that was a cure. And that's pretty much the only band that I could think of, of the, from the 80s. Because I'm not too familiar with that. But if you would say goth rock, like, have more recent, like days. I know, you're probably hate me for saying this, but it would probably be like in its pop. But it'd be like Evanescence or cradle Phil, like two different two different sides I know of today. Well, once we get through there to that era, you know, I'm not saying so making a face like I'm not saying I consider them golf. I'm saying good. You better not I don't I'm saying that people saw them as a golf man. Yeah. So but then like I would see like, like I mentioned, cradle filth, to me is like a golf bank as a holiday dress. So I'd rather listen to cradle filth, which I do. So, you know, to me, later, of course, a lot of these bands that we're going to talk about today, influence later bands, and we'll get to it as we go through. So just like the 70s bands that we mentioned, yeah. influence a lot of these. So right. There you go.

29:30
Yeah, so goth rock was basically born out of the the punk scene in the 70s. But it came later because first he had just straight up punk. And then he had the post punk which incorporated other types of aesthetics. Like he had a little bit of like funk in there a little bit of like r&b, a little bit of like dance stuff in the post punk stuff. And then some people decided to take it a little further into the site, you know, post punk, okay, cool, whatever. It's expanding. The boundary a little bit so let's let's maybe go on a different route a darker, a darker route. So, you know, basically it's it's it's the punk aesthetic, but a lot of these bands a lot of the fans started wearing dark clothing, they started teasing their hair doing their makeup. And, you know, a lot of the music too characteristically has, you know, lyrics about like love and death and just like the human condition and just like pretty morbid stuff, you know. So I think pushing back against religion, stuff like that. Yeah, the same too. And so there was definitely like a big visual aesthetic there. And but the music too. Yeah, it was just like punk to you know, push punk with pushing back against establishment and with, with the whole goth rock thing. I mean, they were pushing back against some of what is I guess, clean cut punk? Because I guess punk wasn't extreme enough, you know, so you had to extreme it up a bit more.

31:02
And just piss off a few more people? Yeah, by like, calling out religious groups and stuff. And

31:08
yeah, basically. And, for me, you know, some of the earlier goth rock bands that I think, at least for me, are pretty influential. You know, of course, like, here's one of them. Bauhaus is another one. One that falls into the category but isn't quite there yet. is Joy Division. Because, you know, they were, they were still part of the whole post punk thing. But, you know, they, they're the release of their second album, their last album, too. They were starting to go to, you know, a darker route. But we can also like, rewind it, and go back to the 60s to with with the doors and even like rolling stones. They were having these, they were incorporating some some some dark elements. Here. The Doors Definitely, yeah. Corporate Yeah, incorporating some of the dark elements into the music, too. And then you could even take it back, even further to the 50s with screamin. Jay Hawkins, when he released I put a spell on you. And he's considered to be one of the first shock artists Yeah, but it's all very much goth rock in its infancy, you know, and then you fast forward. And then Alice Cooper, of course, he's like, the most recognized shock rock artist. And the same thing, a lot of dark imagery. And, you know, and then even to look back in the metal scene, Black Sabbath to like with their dark occult stuff, you know. And so I think it was it was found everywhere in any in any little pocket throughout the years. It's just in the late 70s, early 80s. That's when it really exploded, and that's when they became officially known as goth rock. So, and even today, too, you know, you talk about Evanescence. They technically are, yeah, goth rock crater fulfilled too, as well.

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They're just like, on the different sides of the spectrum. But they are, I know, it's hard to it's like, No, I know. It's just like, Okay, so here's extreme right? And here's, like, the most not extreme. So, but it's like this. Actual Okay, here's, like, 10 god, yes, one of the 10. Right. So basically, this is the golf spectrum. And then like, you have 10 over here, and then you have one over here, but it's still in that spectrum, which is kind of, it's kind of weird to look at it like that, but it is that's how it is. And then it's weird because the 80s like, in general, when it came to when I get to my part to metal altogether, that's how it was like, it was like, metal was like all the like in the 80s. But it was like divided like you were Yeah, different pockets of it. But it was weird because they were all born like at the same time pretty much, which is really crazy. Yeah,

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I think that's really interesting about like, punk post punk goth, new wave darkwave all that stuff. We you want to think of it in some kind of sequential order, but it's not like that even postponed can punk are happening simultaneously. Yeah. Right. Because it's still the late 70s. And of course, punk is still happening, right? Yes. That they're these parallel. Yeah, they were stacked and layered. Like

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Yeah, weird. Like some, like, it was like branches. Like you had something branching off over here. But at the same time, that branch was branching something else off. And then on the other side of that big branch, there was another branch going on. Yeah, it looks so weird. Like, yeah, it was weird. So that's why my page looks like this because I was trying to, like, Oh, my Oh, shit. I learned a lot. Like when it came to metal. I was I Oh, shit. I didn't realize how much of it came out of the 80s. But then again, but then again, I knew that it's I just didn't know where it had started to branch out because to me, I always saw it as Black Sabbath starting it, which is why I chose them to talk about in the 70s. And when I started doing my research, like pretty much they were like legit the root of everything that happened in the 80s. Right when you go back and you trace it, it did all started.

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But But I'll get to that And I think that's true for Bauhaus with Goths. I think they're kind of like the Godfather. It's Yeah, that's right. I mean, they're responsible for that.

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Yeah. And even and even in rap today, you know, you have rappers like lil NAS x and ASAP Rocky and Vince Staples too that have flirted with with you know goth rock elements here in order to even

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if you go even a little back to like DMX like to even he has dark, like even, like his imagery was kind of like goth or even like metal like borderline that right and yeah, that that that too. And also

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to you know, we were talking about the crow the movie and that to you know, the the main character Draven as well too with his, you know, dark image and like the long black trench coat and the makeup and the long wet hair and everything. And even to one of my favorite movies in the 80s The Breakfast Club alley CD's character, the basket case you know also had those like elements in there into to your character as well, too. So it's it's always been there through throughout the, throughout the decades, you know, it's, you know, all the way going back to the 50s it's just now until

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Yeah, it just changed form like it was there but it was like shifting and stuff. Um, I want to ask you guys this because you guys probably know more about this, or I know you guys know more about this. But according to Wikipedia, Wikipedia said, because you were saying that, like you consider Bauhaus like to be like the godfathers of like goth, and Wikipedia said that. When it comes when it came to gothic rock that their album Bela Lugosi is dead is considered the first goth rock album, like, and I don't know, but Wikipedia said that, you know that. Yeah, that's what the music community considers to be like the first. And you mentioned their name. And I was like, Well, the only people I can ask you to, you know, great. No.

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Well, it's also to like, like Black Sabbath debut album. Oh, yeah, definitely. That's considered the first metal album. Yes.

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It's also considered the first doom metal. Yes. Even though it didn't have that title specifically. Yeah. Because it wasn't it was it was an event. Oh, yeah. Yeah,

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it's one of those things. We look back in retrospect, and we say, oh, there's the beginning of this because you don't even know what's happening. It's, it's being worn. Right? Yeah. But yes, I would say that that is about Bala goes. He's done an album. I thought it was just a song. It's a single but you know, it's like a single album.

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Oh, okay. Well, yeah, okay. Well, it says record and I was just single Yeah, I miss I miss. Yeah. And said that but uh, yeah, yeah, cuz I read record and in my head, I said album. But yeah, record. So yeah, yes. Yeah.

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There. Bauhaus performs that song. In a scene in the movie, the hunger that we've talked about before, because we talked about like, musicians who are also an actor, right. We talked about David Bowie, David Bowie is in the hunger. And Bauhaus is in the opening scene. They're performing at night club, it's waking. Okay. Yeah, I'm gonna write that down to that. Yeah,

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look at it, because I want to look at some stuff. And even to I guess, just to go even further back. You could also, you know, say that Robert Johnson, the blues guy from the 20s also had some elements of darkness and stuff, you know, talking about selling his soul to the devil. Yeah, fame and stuff.

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Well, also, too. I mean, yeah, because a lot of like, the rock from this. Whoa, I mean, I you can even go back to the 50s 50s 60s and 70s. They did. Even like the stones straight up. They took influence from that, from that style of music and from artists like him. So like, yeah, like all that all that rock stuff came legit routed from him and others like him. So yeah, like, some of it was, some of them was some of them were darker than others. Yeah, but um, yeah, did all come from that. So I mean, any way you look at it, it's gonna route from there is one way or another.

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I think I should also mention Siouxsie and the Banshees and Sisters of Mercy. Yes, I had that on my list. Yeah. And I have had these artists on my lists.

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So those and then it said that you guys could clarify the two that those bands that you that you mentioned that they were considered. pop punk, I mean, pop punk post punk, and that they not only evolved, but they influenced the other bands like you were talking to kind of lead into new wave and gothic rock, right? So yeah. Siouxsie and the Banshees, Psychedelic Furs. They were like one group and then another group which was weird because it's in the same category but they were like in a different pocket like you were saying. lovin rockets.

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Oh, hell yeah. Rocket says actually members of Bauhaus after bellhouse

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Yes. And paid it and also new order, which was Joy Division after. Exactly. So that was one pocket than another pocket was the Smiths. Jesus and Mary Chain. Yeah, the cure and echo and the Bunnymen, okay and then another pocket that was considered post punk in that time was you too. But like I said, that's a different pot. Like we're looking at it from 10 to one again, that's another one on the spectrum again. So I might so so those were like the

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YouTube and Evanescence are of equal sale to me and equal value, they can both go to the same set. And I agree, well, is it because she's, they use piano and the way that they she dressed style of dress than

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if you listen to the first album? Well, even if you listen to the music, like and you ignore all the stigma behind it, like it's her vocal style, it fits the genre characteristics. So it's her vocal style, which she sings like kind of operatic, I don't like her voice. But that's how she is. But I think that's anointed. Yeah,

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but I think but I think that's because Amy Lee was classically she was exactly she sang in the church choir to do so.

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So okay, so if you ignore the imagery, right, you have that you have a piano and some kind of like ambient stuff. And then you have also distorted basically, a hard rock band. So if you mix all that, that's basically what it was for that time. I really, like listened to any other so I just remember what was on the radio. I just listened to the first album, and even then I don't I can't listen to it now. I just don't like it. But, um, but yeah, like we were saying spectrum one to 10. Yeah, they were on the one but they were still there. They're still considered that, you know, that

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is also I mean, I don't know if you want to get a little more into it. There's also the Hot Topic goth as well, too. Well,

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I mean, yeah, that's true. But we'll we'll save that for a few more decades. Yeah, couple more decades ago. So

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yeah, but basically, goth rock was born out of punk rock. Yes. And it's still going pretty pretty strong today that's influenced a lot of a lot of modern bands to like for instance, Deftones are really influenced by some of the goth rock stuff she wants. Revenge is another one of my favorite bands from the 2000s are also influenced by by goth rock as well. Even Interpol as well too. They've got some some doggy and your boy my boy, Trent Reznor which Fred Fred Durst you know actually they put out any single Olympus get caught dad bides?

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Yeah, I know, I don't know if you talked about Oh, you did? Yeah, I did not know. And he so they performed it at some festival but like he was dressed as a dad dad. Yeah, like a fake mustache. And I was like, What is this? Like? I didn't listen to the song. Of course. Did you listen to the song? I didn't know. Okay. I was like kind of afraid to

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see like when you when he debuted his look he had he had like a total like a 70s dad. Yeah. That's like, like a sweater vest or something? No, it was like, it was like the like, it was like a polo shirt or something. Yeah,

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kind of like the dad from Brady Bunch. And his hair look. Yeah, yeah. So that's, that's what it looked like. That's the best I could describe. It was like, yeah, and yeah, no, it was very lame. And I was like, I'm not gonna listen to this. And then and then it got me thinking about you. And I was like, and I was like, I understand your appreciation for West Berlin. But then it got me thinking What the fuck is was Borland doing this man? Like, seriously? Still this guy? You know what I got? Like a relationship? No, it was more like, that's what it was. It got me thinking like, do you think he wears the crazy getups to kind of hide his shame for being in the van like, cuz he doesn't dress normal. Like he's the only guy that dress is weird. And you're like, man, I gotta wear masks and like, I'm here because I'm here. But like, I don't want to be here. So I'm gonna dress weird. You know, you can never prove it's me. Yeah. Just my little conspiracy theory. It's

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interesting. You say that? Because it makes sense. I saw him performing in one of his other bands called blacklight burns. And he doesn't wear any outlandish costumes. And it's just with me. Yeah. And like you listening. Yeah. And like you listen to the music. And it sounds very much like him. Like like that. Like, this is his style, you know? Yeah. And of course the biscuit. It's more of, you know. It's more like bro rock.

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Yeah, like, Yeah, and I don't see him like that. But I think he got into it. He kind of got stuck there. He's like me. He's like, I'm not gonna quit like yeah, comfortable.

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Yeah, like it's weird. Like, it's weird. It got me think Yeah, again. That's too you know? Yeah. Oh,

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my gosh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm

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sorry again.

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But I had I was trying to make a point.

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I think I think he has fun with it. But you know, I think now people have just come to expect that you know, let's go see the Let's go see the band with the weird guitarist. So I think now it's just like a gimmick. He hasn't not a gimmick, but it's like a thing he has to maintain. I mean, he doesn't like half out of Perfect. Yeah, maybe

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that too. I mean, anyways, we'll get some more biscuit during the 2000s. I got no, I will talk about trust me, we'll talk about limbus getting turned

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up at some of my favorite albums from this particular genre in the 80s. Of course. I mean, I, I can talk about the cure left and right. And some some fans will say these three albums are the pinnacle of goth rock, and others will say, no, it's these three that are the pinnacle, I've got thrown into a pocket, you're in the 10 pocket or the one pocket

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album because they kind of span a whole lot of genres. They're really not just one genre, to call them goth is like, Okay, a couple albums, right? But then they're also new wave, and they're also pop in there. And it pains me to say it, but it's true. Yeah, no, no.

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And I think you know, if, like, for me, there are, I mean, it's a handful of albums that define the cure sound. And for me, it's their albums. 17 seconds, faith, pornography, disintegration, and blood flowers. Now, blood flowers that came out in the 90s. But no, actually the early 2000s. But it's it still has a very 80s element to it. But um, and it brought him back to like, a darker sound again, after Yeah, I'm very poppy stuff. And so those albums don't exist in this episode. No, no. 80s Okay, in the 80s. Definitely the first three that are for that. Yeah. But Evanescence doesn't exist right now. Yeah. It's not really, but for me, you know, the, like, the definitive goth album. And I think it's arguably, like the one that stands out for it. And I was gonna let her know that the one that stands out the most, like, if you ask any goth fan, and they'll say, yeah, this is the most depressing, most miserable, most bleak is piece of music ever. It's their fourth album pornography. Okay. Okay. She said, Well, she put her fist down.

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Her I don't think that's like the ultimate goth album. I think that you have to point about house to say there's the goth album, though. I think this is the gorgeous album that I love. It's probably my favorite cure album. But a little,

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a little bit. But you know, this is like the band at its darkest. And, and for a reason. Because, one, the band was purposely trying to not have attention on them. So they were just trying to, they were just writing the most darkest music they could write. And also, too, there was a whole bunch of bad stuff going on. Like there's a bunch of like drugs and alcohol and nobody was getting along. And I think a lot of that plays into the music and stuff. You know, and I think that whole album is great, but for me, the standout track is a hanging garden. For me, okay. And there are some other darker stuff on that song. But that one is, like, definitive for me.

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For me, it's 100 years. Okay, and they're both 80s. Right? Yeah, those are both 80s. Yes. On the same album oceanography. Okay, cool.

48:23
But then we, you know, also to like you talked about Bauhaus, and a lot of people will say, Bela Lugosi is dead, but I personally prefer their song dark entries from their album into blackfield stigmata, martyr stigmata martyrs another one actually, that one's a bit controversial because now vocalist, Peter Murphy is a practicing Muslim. And he apparently has a big issue with performing that song or used to used to because he was raised Catholic. Yeah, yeah. What's but but the but but the interesting thing is like he was raised Catholic, but yeah, he was perfect. He had no problem performing that song until he became a Muslim. And then he decided he didn't want to perform it. And I don't know if he follows religion anymore. But now he's been performing for the past few years. So that's like the one song I just would not touch. It's so funny that

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being Muslim would affect his ability to do that, because it's about Jesus Christ. Yeah, they would care. Right?

49:20
I guess there's like a guilt thing involved with that. I think that's a Catholic guilt. And you know, also too, we talked about Sisters of Mercy and their song Maryann, I think is really good. Yeah, very dark. And you listen to it, and you just think how the fuck did they get those super deep as vocals? It sure

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it's funny that you that you picked this group, and these bands to talk about because yeah, all these bands and all these three genres as you talked about, with the post punk and the gothic rock. That was all like happening in the 80s in Europe, like that. And that came from Europe, which is crazy because I had stuff divided by regions. And your your yours was pretty much just in that. Yeah, that's what was going on in Europe and coming from Europe, right that that came over here and also became popular. But I just I just thought that was Yeah.

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I was just gonna mention also that Patricia Morrison from Sisters of Mercy is married to Dave veiny. And from the dam,

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the dam also and the damned also would do to qualify for that, in that in that genre, the the goth rock because it was it like in the mid 80s. And they started going a little darker. Yeah, they had the crazy hair. Yeah, yeah. And some other bands to the time Suzy the band. She's one of my favorite songs, or there's probably little, I guess, obvious, but the song called CDs and dust is really good too. There's some other ones too, that I can point out too. But that's the one I think that really takes it for me. Okay, cool. And then you've got, you know, other bands. Okay. And this is actually pretty fitting because the band Killing Joke has a song called 80s. And we're talking about the 80s right now. And this is the song that inspired Nirvana has come as you are. They ripped it off. Hmm. Okay.

51:07
I mean, listen to them side by side. It's the baseline. Right?

51:11
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Killing Joke. 1980s. And that song came out. 80s. Yeah, talking about an 80s. Yeah. Okay. I'll listen to that. And I'll put it on the playlist. Okay, cool.

51:24
But you said that the ridge that baseline originally came from

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the dam. The dam Yeah. composedly the damp towel from Oh, my God from some other Hey, that's how music. Yeah, that's how some music works at least right.

51:35
And sometimes you get sued for it. And sometimes you just somehow magically nobody pays attention. Yeah.

51:41
Yeah, interesting. Nothing original anymore. I mean, everything is just nothing new under the sun. A borrowed idea from from something else, right. Yeah, no, this isn't my thing. But yeah, you know, definitely goth rock is one of those things that I it's one of those genres that I like, I don't dress the part. But I like anymore. And you know,

52:03
nor do I anymore. That was like, eighth grade. Yeah. We should have dress up like that this episode. We should have done that. But it's alright, though. I mean, I'll feel like you have to dress the part to fun to dress like that, though. Like, welcome talking about war for me, like early 2000s. Like Kevin acid.

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It's Wow, it's just you know, it's too much work to get dressed up like that.

52:32
I don't have those kinds of makeup skills, like, at all. So no, that doesn't work for me. But we're all black.

52:41
So, Frank, would you like to pass it on to another genre? Or you got more on?

52:48
Come back? No. I mean, I pretty much focused on that. Because if you got more we can also come back. No, I don't have any more. Okay, for not for post punk or goth rock or new wave, right? No, I just solely focused on the goth rock fan base. We

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know that was cool. That was really interesting, because that's going to tie into some of the other stuff, too. Who wants to go Brit? Okay, what do you have?

53:10
Well, so I was gonna cover two genres. And honestly, I did like Frankie, and I kind of stayed away from what y'all might have predicted, because I talk about New Wave all the time. So I figured I know I had I should probably literally blank here. Because I didn't want to, you know, I mean, I can talk about that other. Yeah, yeah. Anytime. So I wanted to talk about like, just to kind of like, little sub genres in the 80s that maybe folks didn't know about that are of interest kind of in the mix, but not exactly. Super. Okay. Well, now. super curious. All right. On the edge of your seat. Yes. Okay. And so when we talked last time about glam rock, right. And I talked about Mark Boylan from Mark Bowen from tea rags and David Bowie and Roxy Music and all of those guys. And so born very much out of that scene was a movement called the new romantics.

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Yes, I saw that term. Okay. And I didn't write it down because I was like, uh, but Yeah, perfect. Okay.

54:20
So very much direct lineage from glam. Okay, what's the new romantics? And it was it was a music genre and also a fashion like, style, right? And so it was like, fluffy collars, white, fluffy shirts, a lot of dramatic makeup and things like that I

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was a vampire. Because I was thinking, I was thinking of Jerry Seinfeld with his Pikachu.

54:51
But it does look much like that because it was directly like they call themselves the new romantics because they're playing upon the romantic movement of the 18th and 19th century. Okay, England, okay, which involve the fluffy? Like, um, you know, like very fancy dress. I'm not familiar with this. Okay, okay, well what I tell you some bad names then you're gonna probably be like, oh, okay, okay. Yeah, I'm actually okay. So, massage, maybe not. And Duran Duran, okay, Spandau Ballet. Okay. a flock of seagulls. Okay, classics nouveau Culture Club. Okay, Ultravox. So those bands also oftentimes are categorized as new wave, but they're kind of like a subset. I gotcha. So it was, again, it was that same Adam and Adam. And of course, if you've ever seen Adam and he's always got those fluffy shirts on, and the makeup right, he has the super dramatic eye makeup that is kind of his like, signature look. Okay. So yeah, so it was kind of like, all at the same time born in there. But then its own sort of sub genre within it. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's, that's

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awesome. That because I saw it, and I was like, I don't know what this is. So I can't really talk too much about it. But no, I'm super glad you you brought that up. Um, because I did not know what it was. And all those artists that you mentioned, I didn't have them written anywhere else in any other genre that I had. So it's cool that you brought them up because I knew they were around in the 80s I just didn't know where they were. So that that's cool. Um, would you be able to mention a few new wave bands? I've witchy Well, I know she would, but I am pretty much like asking, like, Can I split? Can you spare some? Sure. Because I didn't write anything down. So yeah. So I would like for you to just just name me some ua ones that you know, are popular in the 80s

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Sure. And I think you know, you tipped it off with talking about new order because for me new order is no longer a dark wave or goth or anything like that. Once Joy Division ended in New Order began, they became a very different genre there. There are a few songs in there where you can like hear Joy Division, but it's not much like became a lot more keyboard heavy, right. And then also just slightly poppier, dance easier stuff. And so new orders in there, of course, arranger, and then the cure qualifies as new wave to Depeche Mode. I don't know babe, help me out. I was looking at classics nouveau. Oh, okay. Cuz they're so cool, right? I just remember, you know what they look like their album cover looks like the picture from what we do in the shadows when like, yeah, that's exactly what plus looks like.

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I just remember I was at a record store. And I saw this vampire looking dude. Skinny, bald vampire looking guy. They know, right? And the rest of his band just look like, I don't know, pirates or something. But the one dude that was gravitated toward it was like, I've never heard of them before. But I'm gonna buy the album solely because that guy looks cool. Okay. What what band was classics new boat.

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Okay,

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and came home. Listen to it. I was not disappointed.

58:17
And you said this is new wave. Or Yeah, it's like the new romantics. Okay, the new romantic stuff. Okay. So new wave. You said New Order and Depeche Mode, right?

58:28
Yeah. You got one more. But there is a major Pet Shop Boys. Okay. Pet Shop Boys. All right. Gotcha. Shit, I don't know. Isn't there to there? Oh, they like get this reputation as being like, what do they call it? Like party rock or something? But they were a part of that they got started in the 70s. Yeah, they did. Yeah. 70s. I saw that. Yeah, but they had a sound all their own. Like, I don't know if you can even put them anywhere. Right. They're so different. Okay. And I respect them for that. That's awesome.

58:57
Okay, no, sounds good to me. Um, I guess while I have Britt here, did you have anything else that you were going to talk about? Because I have something that I think you might be able to elaborate on.

59:07
I was just gonna mention also another movement that I was still happening at that time. I don't think it originated in the 80s. But the mod movement model, I don't know what that is. Yeah. And so the mods were like, at least in that time period, they were almost like a push back against punk. Because like, the punk movement was all they were dirty, grungy, like, you know, 20 people sleeping on the floor and one flat. They all have safety pins in their ears and they're just, they don't bathe and stuff like that. Yeah. And the mods were like were actually quite clean and stylish and we follow rules. Yeah. What bands were these? I think for me the most notable one is the jam. The Jam. Okay. Hmm, I don't know Frankie, do you know some more. It's not a movement that I'm like, super familiar into, but I know the jam and they're like solidly and that especially during that time. Yeah,

1:00:02
yeah. Okay, I'll look into it for a playlist playlist purposes. And then I can probably mention it next episode. Well, the one that I had here that uh, so I actually had alt rock that I wanted to talk about, because alternative rock I didn't know really kind of born in the 80s. There's different pockets like we were talking about the pockets, and one of them was a pocket it looked like it was more, you're up your alley. And this first pocket of all rock was a Sonic Youth, Pixies dinosaur Jr. REM Violent Femmes and the bangles. That was one pocket and it said, Here's specifically that REM and Violent Femmes were one all rock or all rock bands that fused punk. So it was kind of punk post punk folk and, and mainstream. So they kind of fuse folk punk and pop altogether. And that was all in the ad. So so that was all rock. And then there was alt pop, which was like They Might Be Giants. Yeah. Then there was noise rock, which was still under alternative rock. And that was big black. I don't know who they don't know what that was. I would have said Sonic Youth for noise. Sonic Youth on there, because I have no idea what that is. And then you also had industrial. Now, Frank, you can tell me if these artists started in the 80s. But this is what they listed. They had ministry and Nine Inch Nails. Oh, yeah. Ministry. Okay, both started. Yeah. And they Okay, so industrial that was under all rock. And of course, we know what alt rock turned into in the 90s. And then early 2000s. We'll get into that. And then grunge was also a form of alt rock that I guess came out that time to that was they had mudhoney Nirvana. I don't want to put Nirvana on here. But that's what they had but Madani wasn't right.

1:01:46
But and really I think a lot of that is still is born out of the Pixies and Sonic Youth. I think that those two and dinosaur Jr. to their you know that you can hear the grunge sound in those bands. That makes sense. And that's all from the 80s for sure.

1:02:02
Okay, cool. So that cleared that up. Um, you guys have anything else before I move on to Kim? See what she has? Good. I'm I think I'm good. Okay, Kim, what do you have? Wow.

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So last week, I or the week before whenever I had made a comment that kind of had people like making weird faces and also like doing some maths. So I mentioned that my mother did not like disco. Actually, I called her on the phone and I was like mom, I had exclusive interview was like, do you like disco? She said, No. And then I saw my aunt, like the next week and I was like, a no and D like this girl. She said, hell no. Yeah. And I was like, Okay, okay, I was I was right. Wrong, wrong. Wrong. And yeah. And I was like, Okay, I was right. So um, so like, as I as I suspected, my mother was too young to use disco at the time that disco was going on popular. And so I think like anybody else. Her more defining music moments were in her teens, just like any of us like, music that we're like, okay, like, I like it because I it's in the subject field, whatever. Yeah. So I asked her, What were you listening to? And she said, Depeche Mode. She said she was all over the place. She was like, she's like Depeche Mode. Rick James rush, Van Halen, who crossover from the 1970s. Yeah, quiet riot, who also crossover from the 1970s. And she also mentioned Billy Idol, Cyndi Lauper and the bangles. And then she also said something that I kind of went a little bit more into, she said that then 819 80s produce a lot of one hit wonders. So I did some research and came to the question, did the 80s actually have a lot of one hit wonders? Or did they just have some of the best, most memorable and catchy one hit wonders, okay. Also. I love my MTV started in 1981. Right, we saw that last time, it was the peak, they were at their peak of music influence. And they actually you could see music videos, they were that was all they had, at the time. Pretty much reality TV had not taken over just yet. So this was episode, one hit wonders and maybe a debate for another time, dude, they have a lot of one hit wonders. We don't know. Also, I was gonna mention that. My, you know, when you're like, have you ever seen those memes or that meme where it's like, you're asleep and then like the middle of the night you wake up and it's like, you should buy this collection of

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the time. Time life. Golden collection. We're watching the 60s and I was watching it I was like I'm tempted by Yeah, that's

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how I always happened to catch the one on the 80s and I always wanted to buy it but it also had a lot of those that We would say like one hit wonder like dexys midnight renders runners Quasimodo Flock of Seagulls, Tommy to tone. Frankie Goes to Hollywood. So that was like, the, I don't know. And my favorite movie is the Wedding Singer. So it's kinda like goes, Yeah, almost all of those fans are on the soundtrack, right? Oh, but since I brought up MTV and the start of MTV in, it was actually August 1 1981. I'm gonna let y'all know. The 10 first videos that were played on MTV. With the first one obviously being Video killed the radio star by the buggles. Yes, Pat Benatar You better run. Rod Stewart. She won't dance with me. You better You bet. PhD little Susie's on the up Who the hell's that? Cliff Richards We don't talk anymore. pretenders brass in pocket. Tom Todd Rundgren. Yeah, Time heals deck. aureo Speedwagon. Take it on the run and sticks rock in the paradise of course. Yes, yeah. Because maybe why I'm sorry. Yeah, they had. Yeah. But I thought that was interesting, because it was like that question like, did it How did were there a lot of one hit wonders in the 80s. As opposed to any other genres, which people will say that like the 2000s, the 1990s also had a lot of one hit wonders, as we talked about before in Episode 28. But was it just that instead of hearing it, you're seeing it? All right, so it was like you saw them? And then they were gone? Alright, so

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are they more memorable because of that, versus the 70s? or the 60s or the 50s? Where you didn't you weren't? You were just hearing right. And then once it was done, you no longer heard it anymore? And so it wasn't that continued employment. It's funny because

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I it's a funny thing did you bring up because I wouldn't be surprised if the 80s was spawned to hope, like the most one wonders, and it was because from what I see it what we talked about in the 70s, like, especially in the late 70s, were some artists were like shifting like we've talked about beegees turning disco, when they really weren't disco, then you had some bands going, disco, and then vice versa. They were adding other stuff like 80s ozone, like we were talking earlier off the show, like a lot of stuff got birthed in the 80s. And I think a lot of it was people trying to do this and trying to do this because it was like it was popular here or popular there. And that's not surprising to me. We're just artists were like, Oh, let me try that. Oh, let me try that just to try it. And then they ended up not actually during my research. I got rickrolled Oh, it was awesome. Wow. That's, that's that's what you get. And but he is not a one hit wonder. Yeah, he was not a one hit wonder. I know.

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Yeah. You know, I have to say, Kim, I was a little disappointed, because I really thought you were gonna talk about nk OTB. No, I,

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I that was because it was more to the end of the 80s going into the 90s. That's true. So I left that so maybe you'll use them to bridge the Yeah, over to the next. Okay.

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Sounds good to me. Yeah, cuz definitely. I'll touch up on a little bit on pop at the end of the show. Um, do you have any nails? Okay, so me guys, it's gonna get kind of crazy in here. So, for us another beer. But yeah, let's do this. So grab a cupcake. Well, I picked the right one. So yeah, Kim Britt. I actually have two not one but two smoothie style beers in here. Okay, this is from yalls favorite brewery. This is a wild mind ales. This is another smoothie style, which I know Britt and Kim love. It's called tripping hazard. It's a smoothie style. Sour ale with peach, apricots, passion fruit and milk sugar. Okay, so we're gonna pop this on open, and then we'll pour it and then you guys could drink while I talk. Because obviously, I love metal. And I talked about Sabbath in the 70s. And a lot of about a lot about the hard rock bands. And I really didn't say too much because I knew a lot of it was going to come out this episode, right, which it did, and I was kind of surprised how much you know. It was just crazy. Well, we'll get into it. But before we do, we'll try this. Thank you. Uh huh. So whoever wants to try it first camera Britt is smoothie style again. Hmm. Awesome. That's a good

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that's good. Definitely a smoothing. Yeah, that's pretty thick. That's so crazy. How y'all like these are always fruity and mild.

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What? What do you mean one five. Why can't we give it five by God? Okay, try it. I haven't tried it. Oh, I must have this. There's something in there. I'm gonna go with two. Oh my gosh, five. Yeah, someday. Weird. Maybe you should try again. Anyways,

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most of us read the discography because the kids on the block were a little bit earlier in the 80s. And I thought there they they had their first album release in 86.

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Okay, that's cool. We can talk more about that still. Next episode only, and the only reason why I say that if you want to talk about more about in the 90s, because I know they did bleed into the 90s. Um, I kind of didn't realize to start off my segment that I talked about Black Sabbath in the 70s. And you know that people? Well, I wasn't even gonna say that they consider it's a fact that their first album that came out in the 70s their self titled was like the first metal album. What year was that? Shit? I think that was 75 from correct. I can actually look at it here. Yeah, they're pioneers now. 68 they formed in 68? Yes. 7070. So legit. 70 was the first album that was the self titled album. So they were going on the whole Ozzy era happened in the 70s I believe it was 7278 and that and then that's when other vocalist came in. But then Ozzy started his own stuff on which was also its own thing. That's when he started going into the whole Prince of Darkness kind of era of hanging with Lita Ford stuff. Yeah, we mentioned last episode. So what I didn't realize was that while Black Sabbath was setting metal up there, and another corner, coming off of punk, and, and some other hard rock style you had in 74, and 77, Judas priests and Motorhead going on today while Black Sabbath is going on. So you got to keep that in mind. I left them out in the 70s. So just imagine Black Sabbath comes out, you know, they come out with the first metal album in the 70s. I mean, in 1970, and then they go on to release. I think it was like four albums, five albums, something like that. No, it was more than that. I don't remember how many albums it was. But anyways, all through the 70s pretty much they're releasing albums with Ozzy, then at the same time Judas Priest is coming out, they release Judas Priest released four albums in the 70s 70 or was it five albums? God dang it. It was probably 476 77 and two and 78 if I'm correct, then Motorhead came out in 77 so you had these guys coming out Motorhead was heavily influenced by by punk. And then he had some hard rock in there too. So I'm gonna start off with a little intro from Wikipedia if you guys don't mind. So the 1980s saw the emergence of electronic dance music also known as EDM and new wave as disco fell out of fashion in the decades early in the decades early years genres such as post disco, Italo Disco, Euro disco, and dance pop became more popular. Frank, do you know what post disco and Italo Disco are? Because I don't Italo Disco. Yes, I'm assuming it's like. Yeah, that's what it was like this. Like No, I guess. Not looking like this. No. Okay. Um, post this is I don't know what post disco is either. I didn't look into it because I didn't really feel like I needed to but I don't think I even heard of post disco. Okay, well, I guess we'll look that up. So going on rock music continue to enjoy wide audience. soft rock glam metal thrash metal shred guitar characterized by heavy distortion, pinch from harmonics and whammy. Bar abuse became very popular. In the late 1980s, glam metal became the largest, most commercially successful brand of music worldwide. So, Alright, great. So I have to wait for you to come back because I needed your assistance with this part. Okay. Okay, so I'm going to go over this part again. Oh, okay. Okay, sorry, everybody. Oh, no, you're good. No, I mean, I like I can edit. So. Okay. In the in the late 1980s, glam metal became the largest, most commercially successful brand of music worldwide. Okay, so in the 70s, it was disco. In the 80s. It was glam metal. Now which which is what, like poison and all those years? Yes, yes, poison. So what I didn't realize glam disco. I didn't know what I didn't know was that glam metal was a fusion of glam rock that Britt discussed from late 70s. Right. And metal. Yeah, basically. So and to be more specific. So at the time, Van Halen was popular late 70s, early 80s Yes.

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I didn't realize that they were metal and the reason why they were metal was because of how it played guitar, right. That's what made the metal right. So they were considered popular metal. So, actually, no, I take that back. They were considered metal right. So glad. Metal was technically a fusion of Van Halen style rock okay and glam rock Okay, and they put it together and that's how hair metal came. Oh glam metal came out glam metal also aka hair metal which is what I always call it aka pop metal. Yeah, okay, so it's actually called three different things. I didn't know so glam metal, pair metal pot metal if you hear me say that it's all the same thing. glam metal achieved significant commercial success from approximately approximately 1983 to 91 bringing to prominence man such as poison Skid Row, Cinderella and warrant and Motley Crue and Motley Crue so early glam metal bands included Motley Crue rat quiet Riot Twisted Sister and I put Bon Jovi question mark because I'm gonna get to him he's a separate thing and dokin rocket went from a strictly visual perspective glam metal is defined by flashy and tight fitting clothing. Frank you can tell us a little bit more about that makeup and an overall androgynous aesthetic in which the traditional denim and leather aspect of heavy metal culture is replaced by spandex lace and usually heavy use of the color pink and eyeliner makeup all that stuff? Yeah, so the drogyny stuff came from how you were saying before from glam rock, then the whole they so basically they they were playing heavy metal but they fused with that. And then they took out the the basically the denim and leather like the metal that Motorhead was which was like blue jeans and like like torn up blue jeans or blue jeans and just like Jean Jacques jean jacket or something like that. Or leather jacket or leather pants I should say and yeah, all of that. Yeah, all of that areas combos and they swap that out with like spandex and just tight Whoa, yeah, actually. halen was like a really raw specific Yeah, but yeah,

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I gotta say that my my favorite glam artists just visually glam metal artists. I guess it's more hair metal. I don't know. I'm not sure is Dee Snider from Twisted Sister. Because they were I feel like the band's whole look was just overly exaggerated. It's almost like they were making fun. Yeah, they're like, yeah, yeah. And plus, they were in one of my favorite movies, too. They were in Pee Wee's big adventure. Of course this movie comes up a lot. I just need to sit down and watch that movie. Yes, you do. But also to you know, thinking back on these bands coming out the time you know the the whole glam metal band there's also you know, we mentioned Motley Crue and Motley Crue Of course, they have a very androgynous look but yet their music had a lot of masculinity to it. So it's like I don't know if it was intentional or it's just how it came out but there is definitely definitely a lot of you know, not only gender bending but also like genre bending to yeah definitely you know, just just like the meat and muscle the music and then you have these dudes with long hair and makeup and tight pants and stuff and it's like scarves

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yeah um, so then I was going to Bon Jovi and I so weird to me because they they they put Bon Jovi in the hair metal glam metal category and I don't Okay, I think Bon Jovi was like hard rock like pop hard rock trying to borrow what the hair metal guys were doing visually okay because when you listen to the music to me is I know you're right i mean difference yeah and I don't know if you guys were gonna agree with me with that or not but i just i saw Bon Jovi on there and one I don't like Bon Jovi, but two I was like, I don't put them in that category like I musically I don't because like I look at quiet Riot Motley Crue rat Twisted Sister like all those guys like they had rasp Enos in their voice that was like, like you were saying like it was masculine but at the same time, like they were being like feminine about it. Like it was weird. Like usually. And Bon Jovi wasn't like that. It was just like a

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well he looked he he looked that part, right because he had the hair Yeah, and the scarves and all that stuff. So he was still doing the gender bending but music musically and they do sound different to me than the rest and yeah, and so when I saw that I just kind of tripped out but uh, so yeah, I trip out with like, Van Halen being considered here metal that's not

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so well that weird thing to me is that okay, Van Halen is not considered hair metal, they're considered metal, but they were one of the influences for her hair metal, which is weird. Like from what I saw here, let me go back to that I'm comfortable with Yeah, anyone that category Um, so let me go to my map here. So my map here says that go hair metal was pretty much influenced by metal. Specifically Van Halen, because Because he was the one who kind of brought shredding to the forefront, okay, like with eruption and stuff like that, right? People saw him and saw that it could be popular example, he was so popular at the time as a guitarist in a metal band that he played with Michael Jackson on beetus That's right. So these guys saw that and they're all like, Oh, we want to do that too. But it was so weird because at the same time they were fusing it with the glam rock from the late 70s which was like all the guys you listed David Bowie and and all these guys and so they kind of fuse that and glam metal was born out of that. Which is so weird to me because I didn't know that Van Halen was such a because you're right Van Halen definitely not her metal right? Um, maybe they might have a hair metal kind of attitude sometimes. But even they would leave requests that look to him. Yeah, switch something but that's about it. Like the even the music was different from Yeah, like the bands we were talking about quiet Riot rat and all those guys. Um, so there was that. Um, so I want to go back to where Black Sabbath kind of did everything. So I was talking about how Judas Priest and Motorhead were going on in the 70s to. Um, so in the 80s, this was when like, metal blew up like it had like, babies were just metal babies, the genres are just being born. So this was crazy. So that happens. And we have this thing called the new wave of British heavy metal. So that starts in the beginning of the 80s and pretty much goes throughout. So the bands that started this wave of British heavy metal, you saw these bands evolve from either the late 70s or the early 80s. And they evolved with their sound to get heavier throughout the 80s and that was Iron Maiden Motorhead. Like I mentioned, this band called venom, and diamondhead Judas Priest came to the forefront of all this with their album in the 80s British steel. Okay, Def Leppard was another one. They were part of the new wave of British heavy metal, but they were also kind of they were technically the people put them in the hair metal category too. So in 83, they came out with Pyromania, which is very popular here, and especially here in the States. They were like one of the biggest metal bands in the US at that time. And then another one was quiet riot, and 83. They came out with mental health. That album became the first domestic heavy metal band to top Well, with that album, they became the first domestic heavy metal band to top the billboard chop charts. So where do we put AC DC? AC DC was crazy too, because some people at the time didn't really know what metal was. And they were calling ACDC metal but they really weren't. They were hard rock. So they were going on on a different branch. They were doing their own thing they carried on what was going on in the 70s, late 70s. So they just went on, they never straight they stayed with like the blues kind of rock, hard, blues, hard rock, kind of kind of style. So while that was going on the new wave of British heavy metal which is this category that I just brought up, they gave birth to thrash. So those bands Iron Man, Motorhead, Judas Priest, they influence bands like Metallica, Slayer, anthrax, of course, the Big Four, like I'm talking about mega death bands like overkill, too. So thrash was born in the early 80s. And it was basically a fusion of the new wave of British heavy metal and hardcore punk. So I can't name any hardcore punk bands because I'm not familiar with punk, especially in the late 70s, early 80s. But whatever Metallica was listening to whatever these guys were listening to, at that time, that kind of made thrash It was pretty much a fusion of punk and metal. That's pretty much what it was. So that was, so Metallica came out in 83. The Big Four was around all through the 80s pretty much all of Metallica is iconic I albums came out in the 80s, which were kill them all. Right, the lightning just from puppets

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was Miley Cyrus born? You know, she wasn't. I have a stupid comment. I can't wait. What's your comment? You think there's an Australian metallic tribute band called Metallica? No, but he should. We should move to Australia and do that.

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You said it. If not now, then somebody is gonna hear this and do and do it. Right.

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Somebody in Australia. So while that's going what do you what do you consider Guns and Roses? Oh, gee, that's tough. I think Guns and Roses. Yeah, I

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would say they're more of a hard rock band that borrowed from glam. Okay, I could see that. Yeah. Especially Axl and slash. I think that's just, you know, yeah, I mean, they didn't Really? I mean, yeah, Axl, of course had the glam look and then slash was just whatever, just long curly hair with like the top hat stuff. Yeah. And to me that was just more you know, I think that was more the draw because you know you have this dude shirtless with like long hair just wailing away this guitar but just structurally they're more of a hard rock band to me okay because because they were listed here is like some kind of like, like a hybrid or

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what's that hits in California It was like the sun It was like a Sunset Strip kind of California like movement that was going Oh, roses. They had Jane's Addiction on here. And I heard together in the same category they said they came from the same like area. Okay, but that doesn't mean the same. Guns and Roses James had a look. Yeah, I

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mean, I mean, these are technically bands that played at like the whiskey jack right that's what these bands the rainbow and stuff.

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So yeah, so I get that but I don't think there's the sound is anywhere near the same.

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No, Jane's Addiction was their alternative right because some of this stuff and they were talking about their album from 88. Nothing shocking. Fantastic album. Yeah, so Okay, so that happened right thrash. So basically new. Black Sabbath Judas Priest Motorhead gave birth to a new wave of British heavy metal, which was going on Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Diamond Head, whatever, gave birth to thrash, so then thrash, same, same in the 80s early all this is happening in the early 80s. Yeah, Slayer pretty much gives birth from thrash to death metal. So then you have Okay, so then you had bands like death? possess Yeah, neck, neck rope, Asia. So we thought that was considered punk. Okay, so let me go into it. I

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thought that they were okay. So there is a punk band called death. Yeah. And there is a metal band called Yeah,

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yeah. So this is a this is a death metal band. So how can they have the same name? Isn't that it's probably punk and death metal. I mean, death.

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I don't know. I mean, I guess they were cool with each other having the same name. Who knows?

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I I'm not a music lawyer. Okay, so thrash was let me give you the definitions real quick. So I got it makes more sense. thrash was a faster, more aggressive and more aggressive than the original metal and glam metal. So basically, it was a fusion of the original metal and glam metal, but faster when it makes a punk. Okay, so that's basically what thrash was, which was, which was Metallica. Metallica was influenced by these guys, right? Yeah. So then you had death metal. Death Metal was thrash. Plus, I don't know what this is z grade slasher movie violence and Satanism. So basically, it was like, I guess gory?

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Yeah. It's basically just like very low budget horror movies. Okay,

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that's what I pictured. So they added Satanism in their death metal, just for show, right? Yeah. Death Metal incorporated deep growls, high pitch screaming and the death rasp. So it was like a raspy like, you don't know what the fuck they're saying. But that's a signature like vocal style of death metal. Then they also said precursor to pig squeal. We'll get there. They had downtuned guitars, heavy distortion, extremely fast percussion, and frequent tempo and times time signature changes. So it's just kind of weird to me how like this was born in the early 80s. Because you go from like the 70s. where like, none of this exists to like 8182 83 all of a sudden, it's like this crazy stuff that didn't even exist, like five years before. Yeah, it's insane. So then, Death Metal gives birth in Europe to black metal. Okay, so black metal, you had bands in Europe. Like venom from the UK merciful fate, which was, which influenced Metallica. They're from Denmark. Then you had Celtic Frost, which was from Switzerland. And then you had a finding right? Yeah. And they influence Nirvana. Really? Yeah. Yeah, this is and then it gets weirder. So and then bathory from Sweden. So that was the that was pretty much happening in Europe and then the weird thing about bathory is that they're black metal right? But then they gave birth to Folk Metal and Viking metal. So we can go this down this whole rabbit hole genres, but all this was in the 80s. Okay, so black metal was defined as a it varies considerably in style production. Quality, okay. Although most bands emphasize Street and growled vocals, highly distorted guitars frequently played with rapid tremolo picking a dark atmosphere and intentionally lo fi production, often with ambient noise and background his so yeah, it's like, low production style, like it's real gritty. Like purposely, purposely and but it's real. Also dark and fast. satanic themes are common in black metal, though many bands take inspiration from ancient paganism. Promoting a return to suppose pre Christian values. So basically black metal was like anti christian, basically what it was.

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But the funny thing too, is that a lot of a lot of the black metal bands were not really sure what they were doing. All they knew was that it was an image. It was cool to be anti. Yeah. But they didn't really stand for the message. And you see, and it got them attention, right?

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Yes, it's controversial. So a lot of parents were pissed and stuff like that. And I

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think that goes more to for the later decades of I mean, the later the bands that came later on after that, I think that was more of their case. But I think these guys were really especially being from Europe, like, we see some of those events today. Like they kind of do it seriously. Like they kind of really do throw them in or middle finger to like religion and the Christian like Christianity and stuff. Numerous black metal bands experiment with sounds from all possible forms of metal. So they borrow from folk music, classical electronica and avant garde. So that's why it branches so much black metal, because they borrow from anything, they don't have a specific pneus. So black metal is kind of like, it can go anywhere. And then in the late 80s, you had power, metal, power, metal, power was pretty much a combination of people being inspired, or artists being inspired by Judas Priest and Iron Maiden, okay, and then mixing that with thrash. So when you mix priest and maiden you think of like epic metal right? vocals and stuff, right? Especially Rob Howard's voice and Bruce Dickinson and like the narrative style of the song Yeah, then you fuse that with thrash which is just heavy and crazy. That's how you get power metal. Okay, so if you want to think of any power metal bands, the only one that I had here was Halloween. They were from Germany, if you've never heard Halloween, those guys influenced Dragon Force. And I know you know who dragon forces right? No, you don't. Right? You know, Dragon forces. Yes. Okay. So, so bands like Dragon Force iced Earth nightwish. All these guys came from this band Halloween pretty much who what came out in the late 80s. They're considered power metal power metal focuses on upbeat, epic melodies and themes that appeal to the listener sense of valor and loveliness. So basically, they just, it's like epic, like songs like that talk about like dragons and like, love and like Renaissance Faire stuff. Yeah, but like, it's fast, though. It's, it's fast, melodic. And what's the what's another word? Like? A romantic like? Not like, not only sci fi. Like capital? No, I was thinking more like I don't know what the word is. Oh, it'll color to the rings. Yeah, kinda like kind of shit like that, like, fantasy. That's the word. I was looking for fantasy. Yeah. And then while that was going on Black Sabbath, still Black Sabbath has roots in all these genres that I just mentioned. So you know at this and also at the same time, Black Sabbath is still going on with Ronnie James Dio, then you have Ozzy going on with his own stuff. So he's getting heavier as well too, because he, his stuff doesn't sound like the Black Sabbath stuff. Okay. You know, you have he has different guitars like he has. Oh, my God, what's his name is Randy road. Randy Rhoads, who also played quiet riot. Then he also had zakk Wylde with the ad so Zack Wilds metal guitars? Yeah, does a lot of pinch harmonics. And

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then he starts getting like the the keyboard synthesizer.

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Yeah, he started getting censorship. Well, actually, he had that early on to have this first Ozzy album. So you have that going on. Right? Okay, Black Sabbath, still influencing. The genres give birth to do metal. Oh my gosh, so do metal you have bands like St. vitus, the obsess and candlemass so Doom traces its roots to the lyrical themes and musical approach of early Black Sabbath. The melvins have also been a significant influence on doom metal and a number of its sub genres. Okay, do metal emphasizes melody, melancholy tempos and a simple Kuru mood relative to many other very varieties of metal. So do was pretty much metal. Like, I want to say it was more like death metal, but slow. So basically, they just slowed it the hell down. But they were also borrowing from what Black Sabbath did because pretty much the first Black Sabbath album not only was it the first metal album, but it was technically the first Doom Metal out there. I think we were talking about that earlier. But Doom didn't exist. Then it's funny that they brought that up because saying that they that this band, these bands drew from the first Black Sabbath album because when you listen to 13, which was the first album Black Sabbath recorded with Ozzy Since the 70s, they recorded this album in 2013. And it's straight up doom. Really and which is so crazy because it feels like you went full circle. Like they started off kind of sounding Doom, but it was definitely metal. So then you go on and you influence all these bands, you know going through thrash death metal, black metal, power metal, then you get to do metal these bands in the in the late 80s. And then it just sits there, you know, it goes on through the 90s 2000s, whatever. 2013 Black Sabbath comes back, and it's Doom, like straight up, like it's pretty much like the early Black Sabbath, but heavier and slower. Okay, like, that whole album is slow. I don't know if you've heard it, but it's, it's slow, and it's straight up, do metal. I know. I remember when I heard it, I was like, holy shit.

1:35:43
So can we have a listening party where you just like play me a song of each of these little sub genres. So I can try to hear distinction.

1:35:51
I'm glad you said that. So if you go to Spotify, or Spotify playlists, I actually have songs from every band, every genre that I listed in order by year so you can hear where the where the sound morph. So I actually put a so I put a song from each of Judas priests albums from 74 to 78. Right, and then I think I put one from later in the 80s, too. Then I also did one Iron Maiden release 1234567 albums in the 80s. So I added one song from each album, and you can hear the progression, like where it gets heavier. Just the sound changes to more like to the more iconic metal sound. Okay, so guys, like from all genres that we mentioned all the genres that Frank and Fred, you know, anything that Kim mentioned, like all these bands, like they're in order, and you can listen to how everything kind of played out. Okay, awesome. Yes, Brett. So the playlist is on Spotify. Okay, listen. Excellent. This stuff's crazy, too, by the way.

1:36:55
So Brett had triggered me. Cancel me that has like a negative connotation now, but she just triggered a memory. And so I went down this little tangent of boy bands from the 80s, late 80s. So 86, obviously New Kids on the Block. They released their first album in 86, which I wasn't even like a thought in my parents mind at that point. So I didn't really and then they released their second album in 88, which I was abundant oven problem. Yeah. And then I think when I started getting into them was in about 94 when I was about six, and I was listening to their stuff like the step by step album, which was released in 90, okay. As like, 25 steps. Oh, my goodness. But then this also reminded me about new edition. You edition. That's right. My new though. That was ABC. Yeah, that started in the 70s. The late 70s. However, they got gained the greatest popularity in the 80s. And then,

1:38:10
Mr. TV show they have their own TV show. Like the monkeys. Mr. Reinhardt the

1:38:15
Mike was in Mr. Ricky Martin was in Minnesota. That's right. I'm mainly mentioning these things to make Mario put the songs on the plate. No, that's fine. I mean, that's fine with me, ladies anyways, Bobby Brown got his start, right. I believe so. Yeah. So Bobby Brown was and then I forgot about like one of my favorite his albums that I was been in the oven when it came out. And I don't even know how I had this cassette as a child. But I did. And it was Paula Abdul's forever. Oh, yeah. About that album, set. And I think now I have it on CD. Okay.

1:38:51
And don't I mean, you know, I don't know if you like Janet Jackson. All right. I thought so. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

1:39:00
Yeah, we got

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it. She's actually getting that anymore. No, like rhythm nation like I know that she's having like a documentary come out soon on a&e, I think and I'm probably gonna be able to watch because I have cable when I would just have to wait. Well, we'll have to figure out how to watch it because Damn, probably ordered on Sunday.

1:39:18
That whole Janet Jackson thing reminds me of Eddie Murphy special that he did. You mentioned Janet Jackson's What have you done for me lately? It's pretty funny. Yeah. Okay. We'll have to look at that. No,

1:39:31
I left one genre out. Sorry, guys. So power metal, gave birth to progressive metal. Okay, and this bam. You'll recognize progressive metal. queens Reich? queens, right? Yeah, no, I don't. I don't like queens. Right. But what's a question?

1:39:48
Yeah. Where does Dream Theater fit into?

1:39:50
So the same stuff is the same stuff, but they came in later. So basically, Dream Theater was influenced by by queens right and this other band Bates warning. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know them either. So basically that whole power metal thing I was talking about gave birth to progressive metal in still in the late 80s. And then yeah, they came they gave birth later on so

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I have another question. Yes. Where did the power ballot come from? Oh, that's a good question. I didn't see that anywhere that fucking hell

1:40:22
I want to say maybe it came from like that's a good good good question. Maybe like the soft rock Adult Contemporary. Okay, where they had some mild ish heavy guitars or

1:40:34
probably metal try to adopt it. Yeah, and then so like poison who else a fuck yeah poison pretty much every every hair metal bed extreme was another one. Row Yeah, pretty much every every hair metal band had Yeah, a ballad. Yeah, I'm shaving Metallica data for those that don't that's a damn good question. That has to be a hangover. Okay, my research. There is a good guess though.

1:41:06
There is a there is a funny video that Jimmy Fallon did with jack black in there. parodying extremes more than words. It's really good.

1:41:17
And I'm mad at myself that I forgot Janet Jackson, but I think it was because I started getting into her more in like the late 80 to 90 part of her was like Janet, the velvet rope all for you like right leading into that stuff. But yeah, no nation. how's it gonna? 89 Tim's gonna have a big Hangout. No, that's fine. I know my 90s y'all y'all don't even know where I'm taking y'all on that one. I'm excited. That's cool. Spice Girls. I know that Oh, my gosh. That's like way later in the 90s. Like almost crossing into the 2000. That's it'll bleed into me. But the early in like the I can't wait, y'all intriguing.

1:41:55
Yeah, I feel like 90s is gonna be y'all sting more. I don't know where me and Frank are gonna sit in 90s because I'm having a hard time thinking about where I'm going in the 90s. But I have a feeling you too are going to probably have a lot of stuff for that, um, the land

1:42:08
for the arts and the teams. I'm just gonna be quiet.

1:42:14
I'm sure you'll have some stuff there. Yeah, a little bit. There were a couple of things that I just want to say real quick that were part of the old rock that were also in the kind of in the pop category. And some of these were like, bands that had a resurgence in the 80s. So these are solo artists that were popular in the 80s that I guess were alternative or pop however you want to say it. Michael Jackson. Yeah. Bruce Springsteen was big in the 80s. Tom Petty, Tom Tom nameko. Stevie Nicks, of course and Phil Collins know. Another, another group. So these apparently had a resurgence from the previous decade. I saw that was the kinks and the Beach Boys. Huh? Yeah. Yeah.

1:42:56
I don't know when they did Kokomo. Yes. Okay. So they did have a resurgence. They were on full house. Yes, they weren't. I remember that. Uncle Jesse.

1:43:06
Yes. Right. And actually, you know, john Stamos is now a member of the The Beach Boys, right? Yes, that's right.

1:43:15
Uncle Jesse mean? Yes, of course. Yeah. And then also another band, Steve Miller band. Okay. Yes, he definitely had a resurgence in the 80s. And then these two were considered I've never heard this term before, but atomic blues and blues rock and that was Stevie Ray Vaughan and George. Okay, so that's what they're called. And I would say, AC DC. Now more than one that I look at this would be like hard blues rock, hard rock with some blues rock. They were kind of a fusion of that is okay. It's kind of weird.

1:43:42
But dance rock. I don't know if that's a thing, right? Because like ACDC is played at all kinds of clubs for people to dance to dance rock is a thing, right? Yeah, but I don't know it technically, technically. ACDC. Dan, I mean, you're talking about Yeah, it sounds like it's made for that purpose. Yeah. And I actually Well, this is not AC DC related. Exactly. But I heard an interview with Ian Asbury from the call the call. And he was the DJ asked him like about the influence for she saw sanctuary and rain. And he said that like it was actually really Peter Hook from Joy Division, and his baselines that they that inspired them. But it was their goal to take like Peter Hook style baseline, and layer it with what they called, like, rock for the dance floor like that they were purposely trying to make That's weird. Like alternative rock with Peter Hook baselines that you could dance to that they would play at the club. And it's interesting. I think they've managed it right. Like they pulled it off. Yeah, that's interesting, but that just kind of reminded me of like, that same thing like AC DC, where it's like, you know, I think they just have access to it.

1:44:58
Yeah, I think yeah, that's crazy. I'll look into that too. Okay. And then there's one last thing I wanted to bring up before if anyone has anything else, this was more. I wanted to bring it up because it was born in the 80s. And I want to know if Frank had any input on it. So while all this is going on in Europe, here in the US, Australia, because we're talking about ACDC, yeah, in Latin America, rockin espanol was coming out. Yeah, that started in the 80s and the early 80s. Yes, I'm Frank. Do you know of any bands that were rockin espanol bands that were popular in the 80s that just came up or if you know of any bands and started you want to bring up

1:45:40
Yeah, like one of the more popular ones that era is a band called Munna. Okay. And then you have also l three, another one. This is more like later 90s. Maybe like late 80s, a band called casetta kooba as well. Okay, and then there's guy fineness. Two is another one. They started in the 80s and 80s. Yeah, okay. But a lot of these bands, a lot of these rochen espanol bands when they got started. That was a pushback against a very conservative government. And

1:46:12
almost like their own punk movement. Yeah, cuz, I mean, that was punk. And yeah, and,

1:46:17
yeah, pretty much and, you know, all these American and European bands would come to play in Mexico, but at the time, I think the people were just too scared to play that that type of stuff, you know, in their own country. So it all it took was just, you know, I think really, it was when the bank iPhone has came out, that they were very heavily influenced by the curious visuals, you know, they came out with their guitars and their big hair and their makeup and the clothes and everything. And that was also major pushback, because at the time, you know, Mexico was going through like a very conservative, macho type, society, and then to have these dudes come out, looking like chicks. And there was like, a big embrace for that. And, you know, there were there were times where a lot, you know, were playing rock music in some clubs was like, prohibited. Like if the police caught you, they would beat the shit out of you. Just replaying that music, you know, because it was a push back against the government at the time. And, you know, of course, over time, they eased up on it, they said, you know, whatever, it's just music. It's not harming anybody. But that was essentially, you know, ruggedness Manion was the punk of Mexico at the time. It just, it wasn't punk. But it was the punk aesthetic, you know, like pushing back against establishment and just, you know, doing something on their own without having any Yeah, musical protests. Yeah, basically, that's, that's what it was. Or, you know, if you were a band that was playing brokenness by y'all, oftentimes, you also had to play traditional music as a backup in case the police raided your place. Then you could just play it off and say, Oh, you know, we're just playing traditional accordion. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And we saw quite a few, I don't know, like, couple months ago, two months ago, but But yeah, but that's essentially what what it was, is that it was their own musical pushback against society and the government at the time. And now it's, it's a mix of everything you have, you have metal, you have rock, you have indie, you have pop rock, so it's it's definitely spanned boundaries over time. Cool. Yeah. And it's not really talked about, you know, next was a big country. And I, we actually know a Hispanic Heritage Month is coming up. Oh, yeah. The 15th. Yeah. So I'll start mentioning some of that some of that stuff. Okay. Cool. Yeah, good idea.

1:48:54
Sounds good to me. Oh, I think that's all I had. And that's one thing that I did want to talk about because it is rock related. And it did, you know, it came out of the 80s, too. There was just two things that I didn't mention that I just looked over, but I was talking about metal becoming so popular. And then, you know, in the 80s with, you know, glam metal and all that stuff. But Kim brought up MTV, and I had a note here that MTV debuted Headbangers ball in 1987. Yeah, and that's, you know, show how popular like metal is becoming. And then I also had a note here that in 86, Metallica released master puppets, and that was actually the first Platinum record for the metal genre. And so, you know, that kind of shows to like where metal was, but those were the two things I wanted to mention just real quick to Headbangers ball because that was around for quite some time. It was a it was a you know, it was a big thing. And then four more days from what I saw it originally it came on at seven but I think it started a day out around the grunge alternative era. So it really didn't last that long. It's like it came in kind of late. And I remember in high school I think like, oh three or oh four. Yeah. It made a comeback. Yeah. Bangor did. Yeah. And that was of course, because a new metal. Yeah. So we'll get with that when it comes to 2000.

1:50:27
But don't forget Yo, MTV Raps. That was 90s. Right. That was 90. Yeah, I think maybe like late 80s. Yeah, I think Yeah, I'm not totally sure. I

1:50:37
mean, a lot of time. We'll look into that too, since Kim brought up MTV since MTV did originate in the early 80s. Yeah, I'll look into that to see when that came out. Because this is going to play later on. Especially with the whole TRL thing and stuff later on. We get late 90s, early 2000s. So no one has anything else. We do. I have some hangovers. Oh, no, we're definitely gonna have some Yeah, but it works. Because next episode is going to be the night Yeah, well, so yeah. So we'll just get into that. Yeah. Because that's what I did. I picked up from when I left off from some of the 70 spans I didn't mention. So are we good for next week? Yes, yeah. Okay. Thanks. Thanks. So thanks. So yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't have to be next week. Well, it doesn't matter as long as that, you know, it's okay guys. So yeah, next week is going to be the 1990s. So we're going to continue our little history lesson on music. And I think Happy Birthday again, Frank. Yeah. I hope you had fun talking about your stuff, cuz I know you like talking about your genres. I do. And this get in the next week. That's Yeah. Next week, or actually might be two weeks from now. I think there was more. I think it was more 2000s. Yeah, I think it was 2000. Yeah. But yeah, so we'll talk about that in a couple episodes. And we'll see you guys next time. Cheers.

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Ep. 44 - The 1980's

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